Depth of a basketball floating on water

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The discussion centers around the mathematical challenge of determining the depth of a basketball floating in water, specifically focusing on the volume of the submerged portion of the ball. The problem involves vector calculus to find the volume of a spherical cap, with the submerged volume equating to the mass of water displaced. The user initially struggles with calculating the volume of the spherical cap but later successfully applies calculus methods, leading to a cubic equation to solve for the depth. Ultimately, the calculated depth of the submerged basketball is found to be 4.2 cm, although there are concerns about the accuracy of the method used. The conversation highlights the complexities of relating geometric shapes to fluid displacement in physics.
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Homework Statement
A basketball of mass 600 g and radius 12 cm floats at rest on the surface of water. Calculate the depth ##\boldsymbol{d}## of the ball that's under the liquid surface.
Relevant Equations
(1) Law of floatation : The mass of a floating body is the mass of liquid displaced - ##m_B=\Delta m_L##.
(2) Equation of a spherical surface : ##x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2##, where ##a## is the radius.
Attempt : (Turns out, there is more mathematics in this problem than physics. The crucial part involves the use of vector calculus where one needs to find the volume of a region bounded at the top by a portion of a sphere. That is where am stuck.)

The mass of water displaced by the ball ##\Delta m = 0.6\;\text{kg}##. This amounts to the volume of liquid displaced : ##\Delta V_L = 600\;\text{cm}^3##. This is also the volume of the ball inside liquid : ##\Delta V_B = 600\;\text{cm}^3##.

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##\text{The question is - how to relate this volume to the depth inside liquid?}##

I make a sketch of the problem situation. I need to find the depth inside water ##d=?##


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If I "overturn" the basketball and looking from the "side", call its radius as ##a##, I would have an image like the one alongside. The red arc ##\color{red}{\stackrel{\large{\frown}}{CD}}## is the 2-D surface of the ball inside water whose ##(x,y,z)## coordinates at any point are related by ##z=\sqrt{a^2-x^2-y^2}##. The blue line ##\color{blue}{\overline{CD}}## marks the boundary of the region under water. Using the Pythagorean theorem, the length of the line ##{\color{blue}{\overline{CD}}}\text{AB}## is ##2\sqrt{2ad-d^2}##. We understand that this line ##{\color{blue}{\overline{CD}}}\text{AB}## is the diameter of the circle at the boundary of liquid.


Hence the volume of the region under water is the difference of the volume of region ##{\color{red}{\stackrel{\large{\frown}}{CD}}}\text{AB}## and ##{\color{blue}{\overline{CD}}}\text{AB}##.


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The volume of the region ##{\color{blue}{\overline{CD}}}\text{AB}## is easy. It is a cuboid with a square on "top" of dimensions ##\sqrt{4ad-2d^2}##, calculated upon use of the Pythagorean theorem to find the side of a square given its radius (= ##\sqrt{2ad-d^2}##). The height of the cudoid (as seen from the "side") is ##(a-d)##. Hence the volume of the cuboid ##{\color{blue}{\overline{CD}}}\text{AB}## is : ##V_{\text{cuboid}}=2(2ad-d^2)(a-d)##.

But now to find the volume of the region ##{\color{red}{\stackrel{\large{\frown}}{CD}}}\text{AB}## whose upper serface is a portion of a sphere?

This is where am stuck. I am aware that the equation of the upper surface ##\color{red}{\stackrel{\large{\frown}}{CD}}## is ##\color{red}{z=\sqrt{a^2-x^2-y^2}}##. The lower surface of the same region is a square of dimensions ##\sqrt{4ad-2d^2}##. But how to find its volume?


Given my lack of progress on this crucial but elementary point, any hint would be welcome.
 
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Divide the submerged region into horizontal discs. If the ball has radius r and a disc thickness dx is distance x from the ball's centre, what, approximately, is its volume?

Btw, there is only one "a" in "flotation".
 
haruspex said:
Divide the submerged region into horizontal discs. If the ball has radius r and a disc thickness dx is distance x from the ball's centre, what, approximately, is its volume?

Btw, there is only one "a" in "flotation".
Yes, I can do the problem that way. I do it below roughly writing into ##\text{Sketchbook}^{\circledR}## and hope it's readable.

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We end up with a cubic equation we have to solve to find ##d## : ##d^3-0.36d^2-5.73\times 10^{-4}=0##.

Since I don't know how to solve it, let me try online.

The answer comes out to be : ##\boxed{d = 4.2\;\text{cm}}##.
 
The question is, can this be done in the way I wanted to do in post #1, taking the equation of a sphere and subtracting volumes of regions to find the volume enclosed.
 
brotherbobby said:
The question is, can this be done in the way I wanted to do in post #1, taking the equation of a sphere and subtracting volumes of regions to find the volume enclosed.
If one method leads to having to solve a cubic, and that cubic has no rational solution, then all solutions will lead to that.
 
brotherbobby said:
##d## : ##d^3-0.36d^2-5.73\times 10^{-4}=0##.
Sign error, but I'm guessing it’s just a typo.
 
haruspex said:
Sign error, but I'm guessing it’s just a typo.
Yes, it was a typo. The answer ##\boxed{d = 4.2\;\text{cm}}## correct.
haruspex said:
If one method leads to having to solve a cubic, and that cubic has no rational solution, then all solutions will lead to that.
I agree, but I still want to solve it that way.

It's a bit like finding the volume of a sphere. You can break the sphere into concentric shells of radius ##x## and thickness ##{\rm{d}} x## : $$V = \int\limits_0^a 4\pi x^2 dx$$.
You can also use the equation of a sphere (##x^2+y^2+z^2=a^2##) and solve the triple integral finding volume : $$V=\int\limits_{-a}^{+a}dx \int\limits_{-\sqrt{a^2-x^2}}^{+\sqrt{a^2-x^2}}dy \int\limits_{-\sqrt{a^2-x^2-y^2}}^{+\sqrt{a^2-x^2-y^2}}dz$$
(Stuck though I am, I'd like to do it in the second way to see if I get the same answer)
 
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I am afraid to bring you back @haruspex to the (unsolved) problem above of finding the volume of the spherical cap , at least the way I'd want it. Forget the numerical details for now.

The goal : ##\textbf{To calculate the volume of the spherical dome using the method of calculus.}##

Now I succeeded in doing that using the method you said in post #2, using thin discs of thickness ##dx## at distances of (increasing) ##x## from the sphere's center. The answer came out to be ##\boxed{V = \dfrac{\pi d^2}{3}(\underline{3}a-d)}\qquad (1)##. I underline the 3 for a reason that will be apparent soon.

But why only the center? What if I wanted to choose a point at the base of the dome and move increasingly to its north pole?

Below is a sketch of what I have in mind.

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Let's focus on the spherical cap. The volume of the thin disc is ##dV = \pi r^2(x) dx##, where the radius of the disc ##r(x)= \frac{b}{d}x##, using the method of similar triangles.

Thus the volume of the dome ##V= \dfrac{\pi b^2}{d^2}\int\limits_0^d x^2\;dx= \dfrac{\pi b^2}{d^2}\dfrac{d^3}{3}=\dfrac{\pi d}{3} (2ad-d^2)=\dfrac{\pi d^2}{3}(\underline{2}a-d)\qquad (2)##.

As you will note, the coefficient of a underlined in the brackets is 2 , different from the correct expression in (1) above which is 3.

Request : I'd be glad if you told me what's the error in my calculation.
 
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brotherbobby said:
what's the error in my calculation
This:

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Because the triangles ##r/x## and ##b/d## are not similar.
 
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Hill said:
Because the triangles r/x and b/d are not similar.
Thank you. Sorry I got betrayed by the looks.
 
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