Derivation for modified sine curve equations

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of equations for modified sine curves, specifically in the context of cam design. Participants explore the mathematical foundations of these curves and their applications in generating displacement, velocity, and acceleration graphs, particularly when combined with constant velocity profiles.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a detailed derivation of modified sine curve equations found in the Cam Design Handbook, expressing confusion over certain equations.
  • Another participant explains that modified sine curves are typically generated by adding odd harmonics to a fundamental sine wave and emphasizes the need for clarity on how modified the curves should be.
  • A participant specifies interest in a standard modified sine curve formed by combining sine waves of frequencies Beta/2 and 3Beta/2, indicating they have achieved desired results but seek to understand the derivation.
  • There is a request for specific sections or equation numbers from the Cam Design Handbook to aid in understanding the derivation process.
  • One participant mentions that the handbook contains different generation equations for various quadrants that blend at transitions and suggests looking for a referenced paper for the origin of a specific equation.
  • A later reply expresses difficulty in finding research papers related to the topic online and requests assistance in locating such resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clarity regarding the derivation of modified sine curves, but there is no consensus on the specific equations or derivations discussed, and multiple viewpoints on the topic remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations and sections from the Cam Design Handbook, indicating that understanding may depend on these resources. There is also mention of blending equations at transitions, which may require further exploration.

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Hello,
I am looking for a detailed derivation of the equations used to generate the modified sine curve. I found one in Cam design handbook by Harold A. Rothbart but I didn't understand how we get certain equations. My end goal is to combine the modified sine curve with constant velocity and get equations for those to generate the necessary displacement,velocity and acceleration graphs.
 
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Welcome to PF.

The modified sine curves are usually generated by adding small amounts of odd harmonics to the fundamental.
You will need to specify how modified you want the curves to be.
Given sufficient harmonics, you could synthesise a square or a triangle wave. But sharp corners and vertical edges are impossible in the engineering world because they require infinite forces, and infinite energy, to create infinite acceleration .

Which one in the Cam Design Handbook did you like?
 
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Baluncore said:
Welcome to PF.

The modified sine curves are usually generated by adding small amounts of odd harmonics to the fundamental.
You will need to specify how modified you want the curves to be.
Given sufficient harmonics, you could synthesise a square or a triangle wave. But sharp corners and vertical edges are impossible in the engineering world because they require infinite forces, and infinite energy, to create infinite acceleration .

Which one in the Cam Design Handbook did you like?
I wanted the standard modified sine curve where two sine waves of frequencies Beta/2 and 3Beta/2 are combined. The modified sine curve inside the handbook is what I am looking for. I used those final equations and got the result i wanted. But I want to understand the derivation.
Once I understand the derivation probably I could derive equations to generate a constant velocity curve with sinusoidal acceleration.
 
balaji19991 said:
I wanted the standard modified sine curve where two sine waves of frequencies Beta/2 and 3Beta/2 are combined.
There are 600 pages of detail in the Cam Design Handbook, please give me a section, or the equation number in the text.
 
Baluncore said:
There are 600 pages of detail in the Cam Design Handbook, please give me a section, or the equation number in the text.
Oh sorry I didn't know you have the handbook.
Chapter 3 modified cam curves.
The derivation starts on page 73 (3.7 modified sine curve) and equation 3.15 on page 74 is what I am unable to figure out.
 
balaji19991 said:
Oh sorry I didn't know you have the handbook.
It just so happens, that I found a copy, that had just fallen off the back of a fibre-optic truck.

The quadrants have different generation equations, that blend at the transitions. You may need to go back to look at the referenced paper to find the origin of equation 3.15 .
 
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Baluncore said:
It just so happens, that I found a copy, that had just fallen off the back of a fibre-optic truck.

The quadrants have different generation equations, that blend at the transitions. You may need to go back to look at the referenced paper to find the origin of equation 3.15 .
That was exactly my first thought but to my surprise i couldn't find any research papers related to this topic on the internet .If you know where it can be found please help me out.
 

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