Derivation of Bernoulli's equation via Newton's second law

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Bernoulli's equation using Newton's second law, with a focus on the mathematical steps involved in the derivation. Participants explore the application of calculus, particularly the chain rule, in the context of fluid dynamics.

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  • One participant questions the transition from the equation involving the derivative of velocity to the expression for kinetic energy, seeking clarification on the mathematical reasoning behind it.
  • Another participant explains that the replacement of the derivative of position with velocity is a standard definition, and mentions the use of the chain rule in differentiation.
  • A further inquiry is made regarding the appearance of the factor of 1/2 in the kinetic energy expression, indicating a need for deeper mathematical insight.
  • A participant provides a detailed explanation involving the material time derivative and the relationship between pressure and velocity in fluid dynamics, presenting a more comprehensive derivation of Bernoulli's equation.
  • There is acknowledgment of the simplicity of the initial mathematical step once clarified, indicating a moment of understanding among participants.
  • Concerns are raised about the consistency of notation used in the derivation, particularly regarding the definitions of coordinates in fluid dynamics.

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Participants generally agree on the basic steps of the derivation but express differing views on the consistency of the notation and the application of fluid dynamics principles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these notational differences.

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In the derivation on Wikipedia, it says the following
## \frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{dv}{dx}\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{dv}{dx}v = \frac{d}{dx}[\frac{v^2}{2}] ##

How do they go from the second to last to last equation? I've been trying to understand, but I think I'm just looking over something incredibly simple.
 
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Hi,

first they replace ##\frac{dx}{dt}## with ##v##, by definition. Then they use the chain rule of differentiation 'backwards'.
 
Yes I know where the v comes from, I just don't see how they get the 1/2

Could you perhaps show what you mean mathematically? The chain rule backwards, that reminds me of integration by parts, but I don't really seem to understand what you mean.
Thank you for replying though!

Specifically I don't understand how ##\dfrac{dv}{dx}v =\frac{d}{dx}\frac{v^2}{2} ##
 
Its because ##\frac{d}{dx} v^2 = 2 v\cdot \frac{dv}{dx} ##. So you have to take care of the 2.
 
Oh wow that is easy. I knew it was something simple, thank you!
 
You're welcome.
 
Well, it's a bit inconsistent, because on the one hand they use ##\vec{x}## in the sense of Euler coordinates of fluid dynamics and on the other they use it as the trajectory ##\vec{x}(t)## of the material fluid element. The correct definition of the "material time derivative" of the velocity (and of any other quantity in the Euler notation)
$$\mathrm{D}_t \vec{v}=\partial_t \vec{v} + (\vec{v} \cdot \vec{\nabla}) \vec{v}.$$
So the correct derivation is as follows
$$\mathrm{D}_t (\vec{v}^2)=2 \vec{v} \cdot \mathrm{D}_t \vec{v}.$$
For an incompressible fluid you have
$$\rho \mathrm{D}_t \vec{v}=-\vec{\nabla} p.$$
Multiplying this equation by ##\vec{v}## gives
$$\frac{\rho}{2} \mathrm{D}_t (\vec{v}^2)=-\vec{v} \cdot \vec{\nabla} p.$$
If now you are in a static situation, where the pressure is time-independent you get
$$\frac{\rho}{2} \mathrm{D}_t (\vec{v}^2)=-\mathrm{D}_t p.$$
Since ##\rho=\text{const}## for an incompressible fluid, you finally get by integration over time
$$\frac{\rho}{2} \vec{v}^2 + p=\text{const},$$
which is Bernoulli's Law in the most simple case.

The most general extension of this law is the energy balance of a fluid, which expresses the energy-conservation law.
 
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