Derivation of Deflection from Euler-Bernoulli Beam Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around deriving a formula for deflection w(x) from the Euler-Bernoulli beam equation, specifically for a cantilever beam subjected to a point load at the unsupported end. Participants explore the necessary boundary conditions and the implications of shear force in the derivation process.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the boundary conditions needed to eliminate the constant C1 after the first integration, particularly regarding shear force.
  • Another participant questions the initial equation set by the first poster, pointing out a potential mismatch in units and the definition of shear force.
  • A participant references the Euler-Bernoulli beam equation from Wikipedia, attempting to relate it to a known formula for deflection, but expresses confusion about the physical meaning of the fourth derivative of displacement.
  • Several participants engage in clarifying the correct form of the Euler-Bernoulli equation, with one noting the difference between equations for distributed and point loads.
  • One participant revises their integration steps after realizing a mistake in their earlier calculations, but still struggles to arrive at the correct expression for deflection.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the moment calculation, specifically whether x is measured from the support or the point load, indicating a potential source of confusion in the derivation process.
  • There is acknowledgment of a multiplication error in the integration steps, which one participant corrects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct boundary conditions or the proper form of the equations involved. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the Euler-Bernoulli beam equation remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear definitions of shear force and the physical interpretation of the fourth derivative of displacement. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



I want to derive a formula for deflection w(x) from the Euler-Bernoulli beam equation. It's essentially only four integrations but I'm not sure about my boundary conditions, particularly wrt shear. The beam is a cantilever with a point load at the unsupported end.

And apologies in advance for the clumsy latex...

Homework Equations



P = load

w = deflection = 0 when x =0

\frac{dw}{dx}= slope = 0 when x =0

EI\frac{d^{2}w}{dx^{2}} = bending moment = 0 when x = L

-EI\frac{d^{3}w}{dx^{}3} = shear force = 0 when?

I guess my question is: what boundary condition do I need to get rid of the C_{1} after the first integration and I suppose if this is the right way to go about this at all!

The Attempt at a Solution



Here's what I've done so far:

EI\frac{d^{4}w}{dx^{4}}=P

EIEI\frac{d^{3}w}{dx^{3}}=Px + C_{1}

I've left C_{1} here and carried it through since I don't have a clue about the shear BC.

EI\frac{d^{2}w}{dx^{2}}=P\frac{x^{2}}{2} + C_{1}x +C_{2}

EI\frac{d^{2}w}{dx^{2}} = bending moment = 0 when x = L, so

C_{2}=-\frac{PL^{2}}{2}-C_{1}L

EI\frac{d^{2}w}{dx^{2}}=P\frac{x^{2}}{2} + C_{1}x - \frac{PL^{2}}{2}-C_{1}L

EI\frac{dw}{dx}=\frac{Px^{3}}{6}+C_{1}\frac{x^{2}}{2}-[\frac{PL^{2}}{2}-C_{1}L]x + C_{3}

\frac{dw}{dx} = 0 when x = 0 so C_{3}=0

and finally

EIw=\frac{Px^{4}}{24}+\frac{C_{1}x^{3}}{6}-[\frac{PL^{2}}{2}-C_{1}L]\frac{x^{2}}{2} + C_{4}

w=0 when x=0 so C_{4}=0

so:

EIw=\frac{Px^{4}}{24}+\frac{C_{1}x^{3}}{6}-[\frac{PL^{2}}{2}-C_{1}L]\frac{x^{2}}{2}
 
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Why did you set EI(d^4 w/dx^4) equal to P? The units don't match up, for one. Isn't P a force? (Know what I'm getting at? :smile:)
 
Why has your first eqn got EI in it? What is your definition of shear force? That should tell you the constant you are looking for. It doesn't have to be zero.
 
I don't have a good text on beam theory to hand so this is all coming from a mixture of wikipedia and efunda. So from the statement on the wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler–Bernoulli_beam_equation) that:

\frac{d^{2}}{dx}(EI\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}})=P

[where I've called deflection u and load P]

I was trying to get to the statement of deflection as a function of length, distance from supported end, load and constant EI from efunda (http://www.efunda.com/formulae/soli...e=cantilever_endload&search_string=cantilever)

w(x)=-\frac{Px^{2}}{6EI}\left(3L-x\right)

I've looked at the units in the first statement and I'm not sure what the function

\frac{d^{4}u}{dx^{4}}

actually is? Apart from being the fourth derivative of displacement, but what is it physically?
 
bill nye scienceguy! said:
So from the statement on the wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler–Bernoulli_beam_equation) that:

\frac{d^{2}}{dx}(EI\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}})=P

[where I've called deflection u and load P]

Where are you seeing that equation on that page?

I see

\frac{d^{2}}{dx^2}\left(EI\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}\right)=w(x)

for a distributed load and

-\frac{d}{dx}\left(EI\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}\right)=F\,(\mathrm{or~}P)

for a point load.
 
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Mapes said:
Where are you seeing that equation on that page?

I see

\frac{d^{2}}{dx^2}\left(EI\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}\right)=w(x)

for a distributed load and

-\frac{d}{dx}\left(EI\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}\right)=F\,(\mathrm{or~}P)

for a point load.

I totally missed that, that makes things a lot easier. So now:

1st integration

-EI(\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}})=Px +C1

\frac{d^{2}u}{dx^{2}}=0 when x=L so C1=-PL

2nd integration

-EI\frac{du}{dx}=\frac{Px^{2}}{2}-PLx+C2

\frac{du}{dx}=0 when x=0 so C2=0

3rd integration

-EIu=\frac{Px^{3}}{6}-\frac{PLx^{2}}{2}+C3

u=0 when x=0 so C3=0

which leaves me with:

-EIu=\frac{Px^{3}}{6}-\frac{PLx^{2}}{2}

u=\frac{-Px^{2}}{2}(L-\frac{x}{3})

multiplying through by 3 gives me

3u=\frac{-3Px^{2}}{2}(3L-x)

and then

u=\frac{-Px^{2}}{2}(3L-x)

which still isn't quite right. Can you spot where I've gone wrong in the maths?
 
For your first integration, how do you get Px for the moment at x? Is x measured from the support or from the point load?
 
You multiplied the right side by 3 twice.
 
pongo38 said:
For your first integration, how do you get Px for the moment at x? Is x measured from the support or from the point load?

I'm measuring x from the support and Mapes, of course you're right. Thanks very much for your help!
 

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