Derivations for Schrodinger's equations for potential step

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of Schrödinger's equations for a potential step, specifically addressing the transformation from the standard Schrödinger equation to the forms applicable for regions with different potentials. Participants explore the mathematical manipulations involved and the implications of these transformations.

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  • One participant questions how the step potential equations are derived from the standard Schrödinger equation, noting the absence of the (-ħ²/2m) term in the transformed equations.
  • Another participant provides a step-by-step algebraic manipulation to show how the standard equation can be rearranged into the form used for the step potential, specifically for K1.
  • A later reply suggests that the algebraic manipulation may not be necessary for solving the equation, proposing that the original form is also solvable without such transformations.
  • One participant hypothesizes that the manipulation might be related to normalizing the solutions, though they express uncertainty about this reasoning.
  • Another participant argues that while the manipulations simplify the process, they are not essential for solving the equations, emphasizing a preference for the transformed forms in practical application.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and utility of algebraic manipulations in deriving the step potential equations from the standard Schrödinger equation. There is no consensus on whether these manipulations are essential or merely a matter of convenience.

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Some participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the mathematical steps and the context in which the equations are applied, but these assumptions remain unresolved.

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I have been studying potential steps and barriers as well as reflection and transmission coefficients and how to derive them. Most of it makes sense to me except for one thing:

As we know, the normal Schrödinger equation is:

(-ħ2/2m) (∂2Ψ/∂x2) + v(x)Ψ = EΨ

For a step potential however, my book and web resource both say that for the boundary conditions:

v(x)= 0 for x < 0 and V0 for x ≥ 0

the Schrödinger equations are:

(∂2Ψ1/∂x2) + K12Ψ1(x) = 0

and
(∂2Ψ2/∂x2) + K22Ψ2(x) = 0

where K1 = squrt(2mE) / ħ and K2 = squrt(2m(E- V0)) / ħ

(the plus sign in the second one changes into a minus when the particle doesn't have enough energy to overcome the step).

Where/How exactly did Schrödinger get these step potential equations from the original one? The step potential equations don't even seem to have the (-ħ2/2m) term in front. Can someone please explain to me why step potentials seem to have different Schrödinger equations than the normal one?
 
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This is just basic algebra, giving ##K_1## as an example, and you should work out ##K_2## for yourself:

$$\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi=E\psi$$ $$\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi=-\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}E\psi$$ $$\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi+\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi=0$$ $$\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi+K_1^2\psi=0$$
 
Matterwave said:
This is just basic algebra, giving ##K_1## as an example, and you should work out ##K_2## for yourself:

$$\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi=E\psi$$ $$\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi=-\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}E\psi$$ $$\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi+\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi=0$$ $$\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\psi+K_1^2\psi=0$$

I see. Thank you. It is just simple algebra. This does bring up the question however of why that was necessary in the first place. Why didn't he just leave the equation as it originally was (since these other versions are just algebraically manipulated versions of the original)? After all, the original version is just as simple to solve as the other versions. I have a hypothesis as to why this manipulation was necessary (it has to do with being able to normalize the solutions). I am not 100% sure however that this is the reason.
 
space-time said:
I see. Thank you. It is just simple algebra. This does bring up the question however of why that was necessary in the first place. Why didn't he just leave the equation as it originally was (since these other versions are just algebraically manipulated versions of the original)? After all, the original version is just as simple to solve as the other versions. I have a hypothesis as to why this manipulation was necessary (it has to do with being able to normalize the solutions). I am not 100% sure however that this is the reason.

No, you can solve it without doing any algebraic manipulations. And this has nothing to do with normalization. But if you do these manipulations, it just makes things a little simpler when you go ahead and solve it.
 
When you finally start writing out the solutions and manipulating them algebraically, would you rather wrestle with things like ##e^{ik_1 x}## and ##e^{ik_2 x}## or with things like ##e^{i\sqrt{2mE}x/\hbar}## and ##e^{i\sqrt{2m(E-V_0)}x/\hbar}## ? :olduhh:
 

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