Derivative and integral of the natural log

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation and integration of the natural logarithm function, specifically ln(2x) and its relationship to the integral of 1/x. Participants express curiosity about the apparent discrepancy between differentiation and integration results.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of ln(2x) and its simplification to 1/x, while questioning the integration of 1/x yielding ln|x|. Some discuss the role of the constant of integration and the implications of absolute values in logarithmic functions.

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The discussion includes various perspectives on the relationship between differentiation and integration of logarithmic functions. Some participants provide insights into the necessity of absolute values and the constant of integration, indicating a productive exploration of the topic without reaching a definitive consensus.

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Participants note that the natural logarithm is undefined for negative values and discuss the implications of this when considering the absolute value in logarithmic expressions. There is an acknowledgment of the need to be cautious around intervals that include zero.

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not really a problem, but more curious

if we differentiate ln(2x) we get 2/(2x) = 1/x by the chain rule, but if we integrate 1/x we get ln|x|? Could anyone explain why this is the case, thanks.
 
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phospho said:
not really a problem, but more curious

if we differentiate ln(2x) we get 2/(2x) = 1/x by the chain rule, but if we integrate 1/x we get ln|x|? Could anyone explain why this is the case, thanks.

ln(2x) = ln(x) + ln(2)

Don't forget the constant of integration.

[itex]\displaystyle \int \frac{1}{x}\,dx=\ln(|x|)+C_0=\ln(|x|)+\ln(2)+C_1\,,\[/itex] where C0 = C1 + ln(2) .
 
As to the absolute value it is a generalization which works in the case of negative numbers for which the real logarithm [itex]ln(x)[/itex] is undefined. That it applies can be seen by forming the derivative in the separate cases when [itex]x > 0[/itex] and [itex]x < 0[/itex] respectively. One should still watch for intervals which include zero for there neither [itex]ln(x)[/itex] nor [itex]ln|x|[/itex] are defined.
 
thanks!
 

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