Derivative as a rate of change exercise

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of a light beam from a police car's siren as it strikes a wall at various angles. The problem involves using calculus and trigonometric relationships to derive the velocity based on the angular velocity of the siren. Initial calculations yielded incorrect results, prompting a review of the formulas used, particularly the inclusion of the angular velocity term. Participants emphasized the importance of maintaining radians and angular velocity in the correct units for accurate results. Ultimately, the correct velocities for the specified angles were confirmed after adjustments were made to the calculations.
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Homework Statement



A police car is parked 50 feet away from a wall. The police car siren spins at 30 revolutions per minute. What is the velocity the light moves through the wall when the beam forms angles of: a) α= 30°, b) α=60°, and c) α=70°?

This is the diagram:
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Where:
  • α is the angle the light beam makes with the siren (and it is a variable)
  • dα/dt is the angular velocity of the light beam (and it is a constant; 30 revolutions per minute)
  • x is the length of what the beam hits in the wall (it is a variable)
  • dx/dt is velocity on how much light is being struck in the wall (it is a variable, and what's we are supposed to compute with the given data)
  • Also we have the distance between the police car and the wall, which is also a constant and is 50 feet.
Ok, before going to the formulas, according to my textbook the answers should be:
  • When the angle is 30° (= 0.524 rad) the velocity is 200π/3 feet per second
  • When the angle is 60° (= 1.047 rad) the velocity is 200π feet per second
  • When the angle is 70° (= 1.222 rad) the velocity is approximately 427.43π feet per second

Homework Equations



Well, this is a calculus problem, it does not take a pre-shaped formula as in physics or chemistry. However, we are dealing with derivatives as a rate of change. I found the relationship which may lead to the problem answer:

If we consider the previous diagram the formulas are:
  • x=50tan(α) which leads to the one below
  • dx/dt=50(sec2α)(dα/dt)= 50(1/cos2α) (this is the equation I used for attempting to solve the problem)
NOTE: For getting the second equation, I used the trigonometric derivatives rules

The Attempt at a Solution



I did use the last formula; replacing with the given data we get:

For the angle of ,524 rad
dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=66.69 ft/s which is not the same as 200π/3 ft/s
For the angle of 1,047 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=201.96 ft/s which is not the same as 200π ft/s
For the angle of 1,222 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=423.4 ft/s which is not the same as 427.43 ft/s

I need to see what I'm doing wrong; I've been stuck in this problem for about an hour and a half :(
 

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MarcusAu314 said:

Homework Statement



A police car is parked 50 feet away from a wall. The police car siren spins at 30 revolutions per minute. What is the velocity the light moves through the wall when the beam forms angles of: a) α= 30°, b) α=60°, and c) α=70°?

This is the diagram:
https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10665816_1485403331744206_1785843909705272494_n.jpg?oh=8c58e875096c8045213bef3bff034736&oe=54BD392F
Where:
  • α is the angle the light beam makes with the siren (and it is a variable)
  • dα/dt is the angular velocity of the light beam (and it is a constant; 30 revolutions per minute)
  • x is the length of what the beam hits in the wall (it is a variable)
  • dx/dt is velocity on how much light is being struck in the wall (it is a variable, and what's we are supposed to compute with the given data)
  • Also we have the distance between the police car and the wall, which is also a constant and is 50 feet.
Ok, before going to the formulas, according to my textbook the answers should be:
  • When the angle is 30° (= 0.524 rad) the velocity is 200π/3 feet per second
  • When the angle is 60° (= 1.047 rad) the velocity is 200π feet per second
  • When the angle is 70° (= 1.222 rad) the velocity is approximately 427.43π feet per second

Homework Equations



Well, this is a calculus problem, it does not take a pre-shaped formula as in physics or chemistry. However, we are dealing with derivatives as a rate of change. I found the relationship which may lead to the problem answer:

If we consider the previous diagram the formulas are:
  • x=50tan(α) which leads to the one below
  • dx/dt=50(sec2α)(dα/dt)= 50(1/cos2α) (this is the equation I used for attempting to solve the problem)
In your formula for dx/dt, it looks like you have lost dα/dt at the end.
MarcusAu314 said:
NOTE: For getting the second equation, I used the trigonometric derivatives rules

The Attempt at a Solution



I did use the last formula; replacing with the given data we get:

For the angle of ,524 rad
dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=66.69 ft/s which is not the same as 200π/3 ft/s
For the angle of 1,047 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=201.96 ft/s which is not the same as 200π ft/s
For the angle of 1,222 rad dx/dt=50(1/cos2(,524))=423.4 ft/s which is not the same as 427.43 ft/s

I need to see what I'm doing wrong; I've been stuck in this problem for about an hour and a half :(
 
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In addition to Mark44's comments, don't change everything to decimals. Use ##30^\circ = \frac \pi 6##radians and ##30##rpm##=\pi##rad/sec.
 
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Thanks everyone, I checked and I got it right.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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