Derivative of a function with ln

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The discussion centers around finding the derivative of the function ln[sqrt(x^2+y^2)], which involves concepts from calculus, particularly differentiation and the properties of logarithms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the transformation of the logarithmic expression and its implications for differentiation. Questions arise regarding the specific type of derivative being sought, such as total versus partial derivatives.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the derivative with some participants providing transformations of the original expression. Questions about the variables involved and the nature of the derivative are being raised, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of two variables (x and y) in the function, which raises questions about whether to find a total derivative or partial derivatives, reflecting the complexity of the problem.

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This is a small part of a bigger problem, but the part I am having trouble with is finding the derivative of...
ln[sqrt(x^2+y^2)]
I'm sure it is something simple and I remember learning it in Calc I or II but I forgot. Please help remind me! Thank you!
 
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[tex]ln(\sqrt{x^2+y^2}) = ln(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})^\frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2}ln(x^2+y^2)[/tex]

Is it easier now?
 
Yes I believe so...

Would it then be...

(1/2) [(2x+2y)/(x^2+y^2)]

...if I remember correctly??
 
Which would then simplify to

1/(x+y)

?
 
Are you taking the total derivative, or what is the variable you are differentiating with respect to?
 
Remember [tex]\frac{d}{dx}(y^n)=ny^{n-1}\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]
 
Supraanimo's question is still important. ln[sqrt(x^2+y^2)] has two variables. "The derivative" might be the gradient, but more often you are asked to find the partial derivatives. Which is it?
 
rock.freak667 said:
[tex]ln(\sqrt{x^2+y^2}) = ln(\sqrt{x^2+y^2})^\frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2}ln(x^2+y^2)[/tex]

Is it easier now?

Just to correct a typo...This should read

[tex]ln(\sqrt{x^2+y^2}) = ln((x^2+y^2)^\frac{1}{2}) = \frac{1}{2}ln(x^2+y^2)[/tex]
 

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