Derivative of cubic absolute value function

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding the derivative of the function f(x) = |x+2|^3 - 1, with a focus on determining intervals of increase and decrease as well as testing for concavity through the second derivative.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the chain rule and quotient rule in finding the first and second derivatives. There are attempts to simplify expressions and considerations of piecewise definitions for the absolute value function.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different methods for differentiation, including the use of piecewise functions and simplifications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of rules for derivatives, but no consensus has been reached on a single approach.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the behavior of the function at the point x = -2, where the derivative is undefined, and the implications for concavity testing. Participants are also considering the impact of absolute values on the derivatives being calculated.

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Homework Statement



f(x) = |x+2|^3 -1


The Attempt at a Solution



- So, I know the formula is: d|x| / dx = x / |x|

- My guess would be: (x+2)^3 / |x + 2|^3 ?

I'm trying to find Increase and Decrease intervals for the graph..
 
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aero_zeppelin said:
- My guess would be: (x+2)^3 / |x + 2|^3 ?
No. Looks like you'll need to use the chain rule.
 
ok... hmmm , so maybe like this? :

(3) |x+2|^2 ( x+2 / |x+2| )
 
That sounds right.
 
Great, thanks... Now question #2:

I'm testing for concavity, so I'm getting the 2nd derivative...

For the x+2 / |x+2| part, does the quotient rule apply as normal??

The procedure would be a chain rule involving a product rule and a quotient rule right?
 
It might help if you simplified a bit, getting rid of an |x+2| in the numerator and denominator. Then you just have 3 (x+2) |x+2|, and that's simple to solve with the product rule.
 
You're right. So I guess the second derivative would be:

f '' (x) = ( 3 |x+2| ) + 3 (x+2) (x+2) / |x+2|

Thanks a lot btw
 
aero_zeppelin said:
Great, thanks... Now question #2:

I'm testing for concavity, so I'm getting the 2nd derivative...

For the x+2 / |x+2| part, does the quotient rule apply as normal??

The procedure would be a chain rule involving a product rule and a quotient rule right?

To find the derivative of \displaystyle \frac{x+2}{|x+2|}\,, simply consider its graph. The derivative is undefined at x=-2 and is 1 everywhere else.
 
aero_zeppelin said:
Great, thanks... Now question #2:

I'm testing for concavity, so I'm getting the 2nd derivative...

For the x+2 / |x+2| part, does the quotient rule apply as normal??

The procedure would be a chain rule involving a product rule and a quotient rule right?
In my opinion, the clearest way to do this is with the piecewise definition of |x + 2|.

\displaystyle f(x) = \left|x+2\right|^3=\left\{<br /> \matrix{(x+2)^3,\ \ \text{if}\quad x&gt;-2 \\<br /> \ \ 0\ ,\ \ \quad\quad\quad\text{if}\quad x=-2 \\<br /> -(x+2)^3,\ \ \text{if}\quad x&lt;-2} \right.

Finding the first & second derivatives is straight forward, if x ≠ -2. Take the limits from the left & right to show that f ' (-2) = 0 and f '' (-2) = 0
 
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SammyS said:
In my opinion, the clearest way to do this is with the piecewise definition of |x + 2|.

\displaystyle f(x) = \left|x+2\right|^3=\left\{<br /> \matrix{(x+2)^3,\ \ \text{if}\quad x&gt;-2 \\<br /> \ \ 0\ ,\ \ \quad\quad\quad\text{if}\quad x=-2 \\<br /> -(x+2)^3,\ \ \text{if}\quad x&lt;-2} \right.

Finding the first & second derivatives is straight forward, if x ≠ -2. Take the limits from the left & right to show that f ' (-2) = 0 and f '' (-2) = 0

Considering that OP started with this as the expression for the derivative:

f&#039;(x)=3 |x+2|^2 \frac{x+2}{|x+2|}

It'd probably just be easier to cancel out an |x+2| term from the numerator and denominator. It's easy to find the second derivative then.
 

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