Derivative of Exponential and Logarithmic Functions

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The discussion revolves around finding derivatives of exponential and logarithmic functions, specifically focusing on the slope of tangent lines and implicit differentiation. Participants explore the derivative of the function g(x) = x²lnx and the implicit differentiation of yex + y² = 7lny - x³.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the product rule in differentiating g(x) = x²lnx and question the reasoning behind the derivative of 7lny. There is also a comparison of different methods for finding derivatives, particularly in the context of logarithmic functions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the use of the product rule and the importance of parentheses in expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods for solving derivative problems, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the distinction between constants and variable terms in differentiation. There is also mention of homework rules regarding posting new problems in separate threads.

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Homework Statement



PROBLEM 1
Find slope of tangent line at (1,0)

g(x) = x2lnx

Solution:

g'(x) = (x2lnx)'
g'(x) = x2[1/x . (x)']
g'(x) = x2 . 1/x
g'(x) = x

M tan/(1,0) = 0

PROBLEM 2

Use implicit differentiation:

yex+ y2 = 7lny - x3

Solution:

(ex)(y') + 2y(y') - 7(y'/y) = -ye - 3x2

y'(ex + 2y - 7/y) = -yex - 3x2
y' = -yex - 3x2/(ex + 2y - 7/y)
 
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domyy said:

Homework Statement



PROBLEM 1
Find slope of tangent line at (1,0)

g(x) = x2lnx

Solution:

g'(x) = (x2lnx)'
g'(x) = x2[1/x . (x)']
g'(x) = x2 . 1/x
g'(x) = x

M tan/(1,0) = 0

PROBLEM 2

Use implicit differentiation:

yex+ y2 = 7lny - x3

Solution:

(ex)(y') + 2y(y') - 7(y'/y) = -ye - 3x2

y'(ex + 2y - 7/y) = -yex - 3x2
y' = -yex - 3x2/(ex + 2y - 7/y)

Your derivative of ##x^2 \ln(x)## is wrong.
 
Thanks for the reply. That's why posted both problems. I want to understand why.
If the derivative of 7lny on the second problem is 7[(1/y . (y)']
then why x^2 ln(x) isn't = x^2[1/x . (x)'] ?
 
OHHHH I THINK I GOT IT! Am I supposed to use the product rule?
 
domyy said:
Thanks for the reply. That's why posted both problems. I want to understand why.
If the derivative of 7lny on the second problem is 7[(1/y . (y)']
then why x^2 ln(x) isn't = x^2[1/x . (x)'] ?
The derivative of 7 is zero, because 7 is a constant . x2 is not a constant.

Use the product rule.
 
Ok, if so...this is how I'd do it:

g(x) = x2lnx

g'(x) = (x2)(1/x) + (lnx)(2x)
g'(x) = x + 2xlnx
g'(x) = 1 + 2(1)ln(1)
g'(x) = x + 2ln1
g'(x) = 1 + 0 =1
 
Thanks a lot!
 
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I have another question:

Is it wrong to solve the problem this way:

y = ln (√x3- 5)

y' = [(x3 - 5)1/2]'/[x3 - 5]

y' = 1/2(x3 - 5)-1/2 (x3 - 5)'/ (x3 - 5)

y' = 3x2/ 2[(√x3 - 5)(√x3 - 5)]

y' = 3x2/ 2(x3 - 5)

Instead of:

y = ln (x3 - 5)1/2 = 1/2 ln (x3 - 5)
y' = 1/2 . (x3 - 5)'/(x3 - 5)
y' = 3x2/2(x3 - 5)

Can I solve it either way or could the first method cause me further problems with other exercises?
 
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domyy said:
I have another question:

Is it wrong to solve the problem this way:

y = ln (√x3- 5)

y' = [(x3 - 5)1/2]'/[x3 - 5]

y' = 1/2(x3 - 5)-1/2 (x3 - 5)'/ (x3 - 5)

y' = 3x2/ 2[(√x3 - 5)(√x3 - 5)]

y' = 3x2/ 2(x3 - 5)

Instead of:

y = ln (x3 - 5)1/2 = 1/2 ln (x3 - 5)
y' = 1/2 . (x3 - 5)'/(x3 - 5)
y' = 3x2/2(x3 - 5)

Can I solve it either way or could the first method cause me further problems with other exercises?
It's best to start a new thread for a new problem.

Also, use sufficient parentheses.
√(x3-5) ≠ √x3-5 .​

As for your question: Either method is fine, but writing ln(ur) as (r)ln(u) reduces the number of times you need to use the chain rule.
 

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