Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Derivative of kinectic energy , dK/dv

  1. Apr 24, 2012 #1
    i'm in my freshman year and i'm starting to learn Derivatives in Calculus, and I was wondering, once Ek (kinectic energy) = 1/2mv², then, the derivative of Ek in term of velocity would be mv, which is equal to the linear momentum..... I'm finding hard to understand the idea that the variation of Kinect over a variable velocity is the linear momentum...can someone explain me this in a didactic way? I was just playing around deriving physics formulas haha
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Apr 25, 2012 #2

    tiny-tim

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Homework Helper

    hi c77793! :smile:
    it's because of Newtonian Relativity

    the (Newtonian) laws of physics are the same in any inertial frame​

    suppose you have bodies with ∑miui2 = ∑mivi2 in one frame

    now choose another frame with relative velocity w in the k-direction …

    ∑mi(ui - wk).(ui - wk) = ∑mi(vi - wk).(vi - wk)
    cancelling (and dividing by 2) gives us …

    w∑miui.k = w∑mivi.k

    since w is arbitrary, we can divide by w, and get conservation of momentum in in the k direction

    however, instead of cancelling, we could have differentiated wrt w (in other words, exploiting the translational symmetry of Newtonian space), giving …

    w∑mi(ui - wk).k = w∑mi(vi - wk).k

    (and then cancelled, giving the same result)

    (btw, this also works with Einsteinian energy and momentum, in Minkowski space)
     
  4. Apr 25, 2012 #3
    Well I was also wondering about that and I can't still find the physical relationship between the two, however both are related to force (since force is the derivative of momentum and work is (force)(distance)).
    The complete derivation you can find in this thread https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=68682
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook




Similar Discussions: Derivative of kinectic energy , dK/dv
Loading...