Derivative of Momentum: Why is dp/dt = F?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between force and momentum, specifically the equation dp/dt = F, which holds true even when mass is changing. It clarifies that Newton's second law can be expressed as force equaling the rate of change of momentum, F = dp/dt. When mass is constant, the equation simplifies to F = ma, as the rate of change of mass is zero. However, if mass varies, the equation must account for both the acceleration and the change in mass. Ultimately, dp/dt = F is a fundamental expression of Newton's second law and cannot be derived from itself.
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Why is dp/dt = F even if the mass is changing, can it be derived from Newton's second law?
 
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Hi Mohammad! :smile:
Mohammad_93 said:
Why is dp/dt = F even if the mass is changing, can it be derived from Newton's second law?

That is Newton's second law …

force = rate of change of momentum.​

We can only use "F = ma" when the mass is constant. :smile:

(constant mass is the exception :wink:)
 
Newton's second law says that force is proportional to acceleration, meaning that mass is the proportionality constant

Isn't that true?
 
It doesn't really matter how you write it. The original formulation is F = dp/dt, but if mass is constant you can take it outside the derivative. If not, then you will need to account for the momentum carried into or out of the system by the mass (change).
 
Another may of looking at it, but reiterating what the others have said, is as follows:
p=mv

F=dp/dt (Newton's second law states force equals rate of change of momentum)
F=d(mv)/dt
=mdv/dt +vdm/dt (equation 1)

if the mass is constant then the rate of change of mass, dm/dt=0 so this becomes
F=mdv/dt
=ma (equation 2)
 
Mohammad_93 said:
Why is dp/dt = F even if the mass is changing, can it be derived from Newton's second law?

As others may have stated, dp/dt = F_net IS the mathematical form of the 2nd law, thus it can't be derived from itself.
 
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