Derivative proof with a fractional exponent

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the proof of the derivative of the function y = x^(1/2), specifically focusing on the steps involved in expanding the expression using either the binomial theorem or Taylor series. Participants seek clarification on the mathematical reasoning behind the derivation and the validity of the methods used.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding a specific step in the proof involving the expansion of (1 + dx/x)^(1/2).
  • Another suggests that the author is using the binomial theorem or Taylor series for the expansion.
  • A participant argues that the binomial theorem does not apply to fractional exponents and questions the validity of using Taylor expansion without prior knowledge of the derivative.
  • Some participants discuss the potential extension of the binomial theorem to fractional exponents, with differing opinions on its validity.
  • One participant proposes an alternative proof using limits and conjugates, while another critiques this approach as circular.
  • There is a discussion about the n-th derivative of functions and the concept of fractional calculus, with varying opinions on its significance and meaning.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the methods discussed and whether they are appropriate for proving derivatives of fractional powers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of using the binomial theorem or Taylor series for proving derivatives of fractional powers. There are multiple competing views regarding the validity of these methods and the implications of fractional calculus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the applicability of the binomial theorem and Taylor series, as well as the necessity of knowing derivatives for certain proofs. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the proofs presented.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in calculus, particularly those exploring the derivation of derivatives for functions with fractional exponents and the underlying mathematical principles involved.

  • #31
1) the binomial theorem for fractional exponents is due to Newton.

2) if you want very rigorous proofs of every detail in calculus, you should not be reading calculus made easy, which is an intuitive presentation.

3) fractional derivatives are treated by riemann, in the complex case, by the cauchy integral formula, which changes the order of the derivative, into the order of an exponent under the integral sign.

i.e. since one can integrate fractional exponents, one can take fractional derivatives.
 
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  • #32
quasar987 said:
The binomial theorem says nothing about fractional exponents.

That is simply not true. Just use the gamma function in place of factorials, and the rest is the same.
 
  • #33
The difference is semantic, since people who know only a little math, may think the phrase "binomial theorem" refers only to the one they learned for integer powers.
 
  • #36
Chemical Penguin: = \sqrt {x} + \frac {1} {2} \frac {dx} {\sqrt {x}} - \frac {1} {8} \frac {dx^2} {x \sqrt {x}} +... "terms with higher powers of dx"

There is some confusion with the above as written since higher powers of dx refer, for example, to (dx)^n, which is to say we are only taking exponents, not derivatives.

What is involved is sometimes (Wikipedia) referred to as Newton's Generalized Binominal Theorem.
 
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  • #37
Vid: There's also a $10 dover book for those really interested.

Thanks! That is certainly interesting. I can remember thinking about those things, but I did not recognize there was so much written on it.
 
  • #38
My proof would look like this, which i think is easy to understand:
first the proof for y=x^2
f(x)=x^2
f'(x)= \lim_{\substack{h\rightarrow 0}}\frac{(x+h)^2- x^2}{h}=\lim_{\substack{h\rightarrow 0}}\frac{2xh+h^2}{h}=\lim_{\substack{h\rightarrow 0}}2x+h=2x
now let f(x)=x^{\frac{1}{2}}
equivalent to:
f(x)^2=x
differentiate both side with respect to x, and using chainrule and the statement for x^2 we proved earlier:
2f(x)\cdot f'(x)=1
f'(x)=\frac{1}{2f(x)}=\frac{1}{2x^{\frac{1}{2}}}
this proof can easily be generalized to all rational numbers
 
  • #39
Kurret: This is not the concept discussed, you have taken the first derivative of some function. The topic is fractional derivatives (for example: what does it mean to take the pi'th derivative of a function?) not the derivatives of functions of fractional powers.,
 
  • #40
Big-T said:
Kurret: This is not the concept discussed, you have taken the first derivative of some function. The topic is fractional derivatives (for example: what does it mean to take the pi'th derivative of a function?) not the derivatives of functions of fractional powers.,
Yes the discussion may have changed to that, but the thread starters question was about the first derivative of x^(1/2).
 
  • #41
I agree, sorry.
 
  • #42
This is easy, and the way I do it can be applied to any rational exponent.
y=\sqrt{x}
y^2=x
2y \frac{dy}{dx}=1
\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{2y}=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}}.
 

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