Derivatives Help: Projectile Fired w/ Initial Speed Vo

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The problem involves analyzing the motion of a projectile fired at an initial speed \( V_0 \) and angle \( \Theta \) above the horizontal. Participants are tasked with demonstrating the equations for the distance \( d \) and height \( h \) of the projectile.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations for distance and height using kinematic equations but expresses confusion at a certain point. Some participants question the validity of the equations used and suggest that the approach may be overly complicated.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different aspects of the projectile motion problem, with some providing insights into the separation of x and y components of motion. There is an ongoing examination of the relationships between the variables involved, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach or solution.

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Participants note that the only acceleration acting on the projectile is due to gravity, and there is a discussion about the initial conditions and the need to treat the x and y motions separately. Some constraints regarding the equations being used are also highlighted.

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Homework Statement





A projectile is fired with initial speed Vo at an angle Θ above the horizontal over flat ground.

a. show that the distance d that the projectile goes and height h reached by the projectile are given by:

d = (Vo^2 sin2Θ)/g
h = (Vo^2 sin^2Θ)/2g

Homework Equations



X = VT

Vx = V(cosΘ)
Vy = V(sinΘ)

T = d / Vo(sinΘ)

The Attempt at a Solution



d = (Vo^2 sin2Θ)/g
Vt = (Vo^2 sin2Θ)/g
(Vocos(Θ))(d / Vosin(Θ)) = (Vo^2 sin2Θ)/g

dcot(Θ) = (Vo^2 sin(2Θ)/g
dcot(Θ) = (Vo^2 * 2sin(Θ)cos(Θ))/g

Then this is where I get lost.

If I do divide cotangent of theta then would distance be proved.
I haven't started on height yet.
 
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Gabriel1234 said:
X = VT

Vx = V(cosΘ)
Vy = V(sinΘ)

T = d / Vo(sinΘ)
The last equation is not correct.
 
The only acceleration is -g in the y direction, the initial position is (0,0), and the initial velocity is v_x= V_0 cos(\theta), v_y= V_0 sin(\theta):

a_x= 0, a_y= -g

v_x= V_0 cos(\theta), v_y= -gt+ V_0 sin(\theta)

x= V_0 cos(\theta)t+ 0, -(g/2)t^2+ V_0 sin(\theta)+ 0.

Since the problem asks for the x and y distances separately, I see no reason to combine x and y and so no reason to look at tan(\theta) or cot(\theta). The projectile is NOT moving in a straight line so there is no need to look for a "slope".

(y will be largest when v_y= 0. x will be largest when y= 0 again.)
 
HallsofIvy said:
(y will be largest when v_y= 0. x will be largest when y= 0 again.)

Yes. Think about it like this: What is the slope of the parabola at its maximum?
It appears as though you are just trying to throw equations together, and work backwards, to get the answer. Take a minute and think about the problem.
 

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