Deriving an Expression for g in Terms of M, m, D, H, and t

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The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for gravitational acceleration (g) in terms of various parameters related to a system involving two blocks of equal mass M and a smaller block of mass m. The scenario includes a pulley system where one block accelerates downward and the other moves at a constant speed.

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  • Participants are examining the derivation of the acceleration (a) and its relationship to the forces acting on the system. There are discussions about potential errors in the original poster's solution, particularly regarding the coefficients of mass in the equations.

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There is an active exploration of the equations involved, with participants questioning the validity of the original poster's derivation. Some participants have provided alternative expressions for acceleration and are discussing the implications of these differences. The conversation is ongoing, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the pulley is massless and frictionless, and they are trying to reconcile different interpretations of the forces acting on the system. The original poster has expressed confusion about the derivation process, indicating a need for clarification on the steps involved.

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There are two blocks of equal mass M that hang from a massless, frictionless pulley. There is a small square block of mass m sitting on top of one of the blocks. When the block is released, it accelerates downward for a distance H until the block of mass m sitting on tip gets caught by a ring. The block of mass M continues to fall at constant speed for a distance D.

Derive an expression in terms of g using M, m, D, H, and t, where t is the time that M takes to move at constant speed through the distance D.

I have made drawing describing the situation:

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I actually have this solution, but I don't understand it. Could someone explain how it was derived?

[tex]a=\frac{mg}{2M+m}[/tex]

[tex]v^2=2aH[/tex]

[tex]v=\frac{D}{t}[/tex]

[tex]v^2=\frac{2mgH}{2M+m}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{D^2}{t^2}=\frac{2mgh}{2M+m}[/tex]

[tex]g=\frac{(2m+m)D^2}{2mHt^2}[/tex]
 
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What part are you having difficulty with? What did you try?
 
Hi there,

By looking at your problem, and making the calculations myself, I found this error in your solution:

[tex]a = \frac{mg}{M + m}[/tex] without the 2M at the bottom
 
fatra2 said:
Hi there,

By looking at your problem, and making the calculations myself, I found this error in your solution:

[tex]a = \frac{mg}{M + m}[/tex] without the 2M at the bottom

Are you sure? I did it too and I'm getting 2M.
 
From where do you find the second M?

Let's look at the forces acting on the (M+m) system. You have the tension in the rope, and the weight of both M+m.

[tex]\sum F = (M+m)a[/tex]
[tex]T - F_M - F_m = (M+m)a[/tex]
[tex]\cancel{Mg} - \cancel{Mg} - mg = (M+m)a[/tex]
[tex]a = -\frac{mg}{M+m}[/tex]
 
What i did was :

(M+m)g - T = (M+m)a for the right side
T - Mg = Ma => T = M(g+a) for the left
Then

(M+m)g - M(g+a) = (M+m)a
mg-Ma = Ma + ma
mg = 2Ma + ma
a = mg / (2M+m)
 

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