Deriving E&B Fields from Plane Wave 4-Potential

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The discussion revolves around deriving the electric and magnetic fields from the four-potential of a plane wave in the context of electromagnetism, specifically using the Lorenz gauge. Participants explore the relationships between the fields and the four-potential, including the implications of various assumptions and mathematical manipulations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation of the magnetic field from the four-potential, suggesting that the magnetic field can be expressed as ##\mathbf{B} = \sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) (\mathbf{k} \times \mathbf{c})##.
  • The same participant proposes that the electric field's magnitude should relate to the sine of the wave vector's dot product with position, but expresses uncertainty about the conditions under which the electric field is parallel to the polarization vector.
  • Another participant suggests a potential sign error in the expression for the electric field, proposing an alternative formulation that would ensure the electric field is perpendicular to the wave vector.
  • A third participant notes that one can choose the polarization vector to have a time-component of zero without affecting the electromagnetic fields.
  • A related question is raised about the sign convention in the exponent of the wave function, questioning whether the choice of sign is arbitrary or tied to the Minkowski dot product convention.
  • Further clarification is provided that the real parts of the exponential functions with different signs yield the same physical results, emphasizing the importance of metric conventions.
  • One participant concludes that the choice of sign in the exponent is a matter of preference, noting that it does not affect the right-handedness of the field vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of sign choices in the wave function and the conditions under which the electric field is perpendicular to the wave vector. There is no consensus on the derivation details or the implications of the assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of results on assumptions regarding the orthogonality of vectors and the choice of sign conventions in the mathematical expressions. Some steps in the derivation remain unresolved, particularly concerning the Lorentz invariance of certain conditions.

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Having trouble deriving the electric field of a plane wave from the four-potential.
I'm trying to derive the electric and magnetic fields of a plane wave from the four-potential ##\mathbf{A} = (A^t , \mathbf{a}) ## in the Lorenz gauge. Given:

##\mathbf{A}(\mathbf{R}) = \Re \left( \mathbf{C} e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} \right)##

for constant future-pointing lightlike ##\mathbf{K} = (K^t, \mathbf{k})## and constant ##\mathbf{C} = (C^t , \mathbf{c})## orthogonal to ##\mathbf{K}##, I think I correctly get the magnetic field by taking the real part of this:

##\nabla \times \mathbf{a} = \nabla \times \left( \mathbf{c} e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} \right) = \nabla e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} \times \mathbf{c}##,

which gives me ##\mathbf{B} = \sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) (\mathbf{k} \times \mathbf{c}) ##. That seems reasonable, and if it's right then I expect ##\mathbf{E}## to have magnitude ##\sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) \Vert \mathbf{k} \times \mathbf{c} \Vert## and be perpendicular to both ##\mathbf{B}## and ##\mathbf{k}## (and perhaps parallel to ##\mathbf{c}##?). But I'm having trouble:

##- \nabla A^t - \partial^t \mathbf{a} = - \nabla \left( C^t e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} \right) - \partial^t \left( \mathbf{c} e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} \right) = -C^t \nabla e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} - \mathbf{c} \partial^t e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}}##.

If the first term vanishes, taking the real part of the second term I get ##\mathbf{E} = \sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) k \mathbf{c}##, which works if it's true that ##\mathbf{c} \parallel \mathbf{E}## (correct magnitude, and correct right-handed set for ##\mathbf{E}##, ##\mathbf{B}##, and ##\mathbf{k}##). Otherwise, for the first term I get:

##-C^t \nabla e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} = -i e^{i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}} C^t \mathbf{k}##,

whose real part I think is ##\sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) C^t \mathbf{k}##, giving:

##\mathbf{E} = \sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) \left( C^t \mathbf{k} + k \mathbf{c} \right) = \sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) \left( (\mathbf{c} \cdot {\hat{\mathbf{k}}}) \mathbf{k} + k \mathbf{c} \right)##,

which doesn't seem right at all, unless it's true that ##\mathbf{c} \perp \mathbf{k}## in all frames (the condition under which the first term drops out). But I haven't been able to prove to myself that ##\mathbf{c} \perp \mathbf{k}## is a Lorentz-invariant statement. In fact, the notion seems silly, because unless I'm missing something it's equivalent to saying that I can't boost to a frame in which ##C^t \neq 0##.

Given that ##\mathbf{K}## is lightlike and ##\mathbf{C}## is orthogonal to it (and obviously spacelike), does it follow that their spatial three-vector components ##\mathbf{k}## and ##\mathbf{c}## are perpendicular in all Lorentz frames? If so, is it easily demonstrated? And if not, can you spot where I've gone off the rails?
 
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It occurs to me that I probably made a sign error (or errors), but that otherwise I was on the right track. If instead of:

## \mathbf{E} = \sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) \left( C^t \mathbf{k} + K^t \mathbf{c} \right) ##

it were:

## \mathbf{E} = \sin (\mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}) \left( C^t \mathbf{k} - K^t \mathbf{c} \right) ##,

then ## \mathbf{E} \perp \mathbf{k}## as desired, since ##C^t \mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{k} - K^t \mathbf{c} \cdot \mathbf{k} = C^t K^{t \, 2} - C^t K^{t \, 2}## (and of course ##\mathbf{E} \perp \mathbf{B}##, since the former is coplanar with ##\mathbf{c}## and ##\mathbf{k}## while the latter is perpendicular to them).

Additionally, I think this sign correction gives ##E = B \propto ck \sin \theta_{[ \mathbf{c}, \mathbf{k} ]}##:

##\left( C^t \mathbf{k} - K^t \mathbf{c} \right) = ck \left( (\mathbf{\hat c} \cdot \mathbf{\hat k}) \mathbf{\hat k} - \mathbf{\hat c} \right) = ck \left( \mathbf{\hat k} \cos \theta - \mathbf{\hat c} \right)##,

where ##\Vert \mathbf{\hat k} \cos \theta - \mathbf{\hat c} \Vert ^2 = \left( \mathbf{\hat k} \cos \theta - \mathbf{\hat c} \right) \cdot \left( \mathbf{\hat k} \cos \theta - \mathbf{\hat c} \right) = 1 - \cos^2 \theta = \sin^2 \theta##.

I'll still have to find my sign error(s), but this looks promising (in case anyone was wondering...).
 
You can always choose your polarisation vector to have time-component of zero by subtracting from it a vector proportional to the wave vector. This will not change the EM fields.
 
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I have a related question—

In some sources I see a negative sign on the exponent like ##e^{-i \mathbf{K} \cdot \mathbf{R}}##, and in others I don't. Is this an arbitrary choice, or does it correspond to the chosen sign convention for the Minkowski dot product? That is, must one make the exponent negative if the Minkowski product gives ##K^t ct - \mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r}##, so that the sinusoidal argument becomes ##\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} - K^t ct##?
 
The real part of ##e^{-ik\cdot x}## and ##e^{ik\cdot x}## are the same. You will also get a redefinition of the polarisation vector. Of course, you will also get a difference in terms of the metric convention. Always check the metric convention.
 
Ah, I think I get it: cosine is obviously an even function, and although after differentiation (of the exponential) the real part will be an odd function (sine), you also inherit the correct sign from the exponent.

So it really is just a matter of preference whether to slap a negative sign up there (to get a classic "##x - t##" argument instead of "##t - x##"). Either way, you end up with a right-handed set of ##\mathbf{E}, \mathbf{B}, \mathbf{k}##, yeah?
 

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