Deriving EM Energy: Calculation & Explanation of E-Field Energy Storage

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of energy stored in an electric field, particularly examining a specific term in the integral related to electric potential and electric field. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the behavior of these terms at infinity.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a Wikipedia article that discusses the energy stored in an electric field and questions how a specific term approaches zero.
  • Another participant explains that if the potential V were not included in the integral, the integral would equal a constant based on Gauss's Law, regardless of the surface size.
  • It is noted that when V is included, it decreases with distance, which leads the integral to approach zero as the radius goes to infinity.
  • A further clarification is provided that both the electric potential V and electric field E vanish at infinity, leading to the integrand also vanishing, thus making the integral zero.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the limiting behavior of the integrand and discusses how the decay rates of V and E interact within the integral.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster has understood the explanation provided.

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Participants appear to reach an understanding regarding the behavior of the integral at infinity, but the discussion includes various interpretations of the mathematical reasoning involved.

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Participants discuss the limiting behavior of the integrand and its dependence on the decay rates of the electric potential and electric field, which may not be fully resolved in terms of mathematical rigor.

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The following wikipedia article derives the energy stored in an E-field (under "Energy stored in an electric field"):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_energy

I don't quite get how the following term goes to zero in the article?
[tex]\frac{\epsilon_o}{2}\int V\mathbf{E}\cdot dA[/tex]
 
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First consider what would happen if the V were not in that term. Then for a very large surface that encloses all the charge in the system, the integral would always equal [itex]Q_{total} / \epsilon_0[/itex] (a constant) because of Gauss's Law, no matter how large the surface is. For a spherical surface of radius r, with the charge more or less at the center, the area would increase as [itex]r^2[/itex], but the electric field at the surface would decrease as [itex]1/r^2[/itex], and the two effects would cancel out.

Now put the V inside the integral. It decreases like [itex]1/r[/itex] for very large r, so it forces the integral towards zero as r goes to infinity.
 
The original volume integral from which the above expression was derived is taken over all space. Therefore, the surface integral above is taken across a surface located "at" infinity. (You can think of it as a sphere whose radius approaches infinity.) Now, for all physical charge distributions, both V and E vanish as r approaches infinity. Therefore, the integrand vanishes at the surface of integration, and the integral is also zero.

To be more precise, you need to be careful about the limiting behavior of the integrand. The integration itself will contribute an r^2 term, meaning that even slowly-decaying integrands like 1/r won't decay fast enough to overcome this. Luckily, V(r) goes like 1/r and E(r) goes like 1/r^2, so the overall behavior is 1/r * 1/r^2 * r^2 = 1/r, which is still a decaying function.
 
I got it now.Thanks for the help!
 

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