Deriving Equation Vin = Vout * R2/(R1+R2)

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation Vin = Vout * R2/(R1+R2), specifically in the context of operational amplifiers and their feedback mechanisms. Participants express difficulties in understanding the derivation and the concept of closed loops in this scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving the equation and questions the absence of a closed loop.
  • Another participant suggests referring to a Wikipedia page for detailed explanations.
  • A third participant reiterates their difficulty and offers a perspective on the traditional representation of the equation, emphasizing the role of the operational amplifier's high gain and negative feedback.
  • A later reply mentions that the negative feedback ensures the voltage at the inverting input equals the voltage at the non-inverting input, affecting the output voltage.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the derivation process, as multiple viewpoints and uncertainties about the closed loop and feedback mechanisms are presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the operational amplifier's behavior in open-loop versus closed-loop configurations, and the specific conditions under which the equation applies may not be fully clarified.

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I have a bit difficulties deriving the equation V in =Vout * R2/(R1+R2)
Because I can't see a closed loop here
Can someone help with this

Thx
 

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Fys said:
I have a bit difficulties deriving the equation V in =Vout * R2/(R1+R2)
Because I can't see a closed loop here
Can someone help with this

Thx

It's more traditional to write it as Vout = Vin * (whatever)

The opamp has very high gain, so that if there is any difference in voltage between the + and - inputs, the output swings hard in that direction (if + > -, the output swings positive hard). So bringing the midpoint of R1 and R2 back to the - feedback input will cause the opamp to do whatever it can (sorry for the anthropomorphising) to make the voltage on its - input equal Vin. The output Vout will stabilize to whatever it takes across R1 + R2 to get Vin at the midpoint. Makes sense?
 
I have derived this in the attached file.

This is the negative feedback (feedback from output of the opamp to the inverting input of the opamp).
With negative feedback, voltage at inverting input (V-) = voltage at non-inverting input (V+). And the output voltage will be controlled by the V-.
Without the negative feedback, the amplifier is called "open loop" where the output voltage is Gain*different voltage between V+ and V-.
 

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