Deriving Solutions for Schrodinger's Equation with Boundary Conditions

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The discussion revolves around deriving solutions for Schrödinger's equation in the context of a one-dimensional particle with zero potential energy. The original poster presents the equation and seeks to demonstrate specific forms of the wave function and kinetic energy using boundary conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the proposed wave function and its relation to boundary conditions. There are attempts to derive the kinetic energy and the specific form of the wave function, with some participants questioning how certain arguments for the sine function were obtained.

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Some participants have successfully shown that the wave function satisfies the differential equation, while others express confusion regarding the derivation of specific forms and constants. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the wave function and the boundary conditions, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note discrepancies in the derived expressions for kinetic energy and the wave function, indicating potential misunderstandings or different interpretations of the problem setup. The discussion includes references to boundary conditions that must be satisfied by the wave function.

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Schrödinger's equation for one-dimensional motion of a particle whose potential energy is zero is
[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi +(2mE/h^2)^\frac{1}{2}\psi = 0[/tex]
where [tex]\psi[/tex] is the wave function, m the mass of the particle, E its kinetic energy and h is Planck's constant. Show that

[tex]\psi = Asin(kx) + Bcos(kx)[/tex] ( where A and B are constants) and [tex]k =(2mE/h^2)^\frac{1}{2}[/tex] is a solution of the equation.
Using the boundary conditions [tex]\psi=0[/tex] when x=0 and when x=a, show that
(i) the kinetic energy [tex]E=h^2n^2/8ma^2[/tex]
(ii) the wave function [tex]\psi = A sin(n\pi\times x/a)[/tex] where n is any integer. (Note if [tex]sin(\theta) = 0 then \theta=n\pi[/tex])

My attempt:

A*sin(0) + B*cos(0) = 0, => 0 +B =0 => B = 0.
Therefore
A*sin(k*a)=0, Therefore [tex](2mE/h^2)^\frac{1}{2}a = n\pi => E=n^2\pi^2h^2/2ma^2[/tex]

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(ii) should read A*sin(n*pi*x/a), I'm just notgood at boundary value problems.
 
John O' Meara said:
Schrödinger's equation for one-dimensional motion of a particle whose potential energy is zero is
[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi +(2mE/h^2)^\frac{1}{2}\psi = 0[/tex]
where [tex]\psi[/tex] is the wave function, m the mass of the particle, E its kinetic energy and h is Planck's constant. Show that

[tex]\psi = Asin(kx) + Bcos(kx)[/tex] ( where A and B are constants) and [tex]k =(2mE/h^2)^\frac{1}{2}[/tex] is a solution of the equation.
Using the boundary conditions [tex]\psi=0[/tex] when x=0 and when x=a, show that
(i) the kinetic energy [tex]E=h^2n^2/8ma^2[/tex]
(ii) the wave function [tex]\psi = A sin(n\pi\times x/a)[/tex] where n is any integer. (Note if [tex]sin(\theta) = 0 then \theta=n\pi[/tex])

My attempt:

A*sin(0) + B*cos(0) = 0, => 0 +B =0 => B = 0.
Therefore
A*sin(k*a)=0, Therefore [tex](2mE/h^2)^\frac{1}{2}a = n\pi => E=n^2\pi^2h^2/2ma^2[/tex]
Well, first, you haven't shown that that [itex]\psi[/itex] does, in fact, satisfy the differential equation. After that, yes, B= 0. Now, assuming A is not 0, that is that [itex]\psi[/itex] is not itself identically 0, then yes, we must have sin(ka)= 0 so that [itex]ka= (2mE/h^2)^{\frac{1}{2}}= n\pi[/itex]. E follows eactly as you say.
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I was able to show that [tex]\psi[/tex] is a solution of the equation, it is (i) and (ii) that I had trouble doing espically (ii) i.e., [tex]\psi = A sin(n\pi\times x/a)[/tex]. Where did he get the argument "[tex]n\pi\times x/a[/tex]", or more importantly how does he expect me to get that argument of the sine.
Also remember in (i) the answer he has for E [tex]=h^2n^2/8ma^2[/tex], not what I got for E. Thanks for the help.
 
I hope someone can tell me how [tex]\psi[/tex] can go from [tex]Asin((2mE/h^2)^\frac{1}{2}x) to Asin(n\pi\times x/a)[/tex]. Thanks for the help.
 
John O' Meara said:
I was able to show that [tex]\psi[/tex] is a solution of the equation, it is (i) and (ii) that I had trouble doing espically (ii) i.e., [tex]\psi = A sin(n\pi\times x/a)[/tex]. Where did he get the argument "[tex]n\pi\times x/a[/tex]", or more importantly how does he expect me to get that argument of the sine.
Well, when x= a, the argument is [itex]n\pi[/itex] what is [itex]sin(n\pi)[/tex]? Remember that you were told that [itex]\psi(0)= 0[/itex] and [itex]\psi(a)= 0[/itex]. Knowing that cos(0)= 1 tells us that the second constant, B, must be 0. That leaves Asin(kx). We must have Asin(ka)= 0 and we don't want A= 0 (that would mean our function is always 0) so we must have sin(ka)= 0. For what x is sin(x)= 0? Multiples of [itex]\pi[/itex] of course:<br /> [itex]ka= n\pi[/itex]. For that to be true, k must be equal to [itex]n\pi/a[/itex]<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Also remember in (i) the answer he has for E [tex]=h^2n^2/8ma^2[/tex], not what I got for E. Thanks for the help. </div> </div> </blockquote> You were also told that [itex]k= \sqrt{2ME/h^2}[/itex] and you now know [itex]k= n\pi/a[\itex] so [itex]n\pi/a= \sqrt{2ME/h^2}[/itex]. Solve that for E.[/itex][/itex]
 

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