Deriving the Angular Momentum of a Particle: Proof of Differentiation

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The discussion centers on deriving the time derivative of angular momentum, specifically showing that (dL/dt) = (d²r/dt²) x mr. Participants express confusion about the differentiation process, particularly in applying the product rule to the cross product involved in angular momentum. There is a suggestion to review differentiation techniques, especially for cross products, as well as to consult textbooks for similar examples. The distinction between angular momentum definitions is also noted, highlighting a potential misunderstanding in the initial formulation. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the need for a stronger grasp of differentiation and its application in physics problems.
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Homework Statement


Angular momentum of a particle is: L = (dr/dt) x mr

Show that (dL/dt) = (d2r/dt2) x mr


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The Attempt at a Solution



My atempt is that I tried writing it in the form y = mx + c but I don't think that would be relevant.

Next I tried straight forward rule application derivision (it was wrong to try that)

Basically, my knowledge on differentiation isn't up to par and so far I haven't tried integrating it but I seriously doubt it'd lead to the answer and I don't know how to apply an intergral of (dL/dt) to the mr term.




Thanks in advance
I've also considered writing r = irx + iry + irz but again, no idea how to apply it in equation.
 
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Do you know the product rule of differentiation? You can apply it to a cross product too. For example, would you be able to do this:

$$\frac{d}{dt}(\vec{A}\times\vec{B})$$

?
 
solarei said:

Homework Statement


Angular momentum of a particle is: L = (dr/dt) x mr
Are you sure this is correct? Angular momentum is usually defined as ##\vec{L} = \vec{r}\times\vec{p}##, where ##\vec{p}=m\vec{v}## is the momentum. It differs from your definition by a sign.

Show that (dL/dt) = (d2r/dt2) x mr


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



My atempt is that I tried writing it in the form y = mx + c but I don't think that would be relevant.
Tried writing what? What's "it" supposed to be?

Next I tried straight forward rule application derivision (it was wrong to try that)
What rule? What's "derivision"? I'd guess you mean differentiation, but you used the word differentiation correctly below so perhaps not.

Basically, my knowledge on differentiation isn't up to par
Good, you identified a problem. Now you need to do something to fill the gap in your knowledge. Did you check your book for a similar example? Perhaps there's an appendix that covers or reviews some math. You could try googling "differentiating a cross product".

and so far I haven't tried integrating it but I seriously doubt it'd lead to the answer and I don't know how to apply an intergral of (dL/dt) to the mr term.
Yeah, you're trying to calculate a derivative, so integrating likely isn't going to help.

Thanks in advance
I've also considered writing r = irx + iry + irz but again, no idea how to apply it in equation.
 
Actually, going over some notes, I can see where errors were made, sorry about that.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

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