Velocity, momentum and energy values for a Pendulum swing

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a practical investigation assignment related to the mathematics of pendulum motion. The original poster is concerned about the differential equation used to calculate velocity values at various points during the pendulum's swing, questioning the validity of their approach based on the results obtained.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to verify the correctness of a differential equation sourced from a wiki article for calculating velocity values at different stages of a pendulum's swing. Some participants question the appropriateness of the equation based on the unexpectedly large values obtained. Others suggest that the attachments provided may not be accessible, which could hinder the discussion.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with the original poster indicating progress in solving the problem using derivatives and vector notation. While some guidance has been offered regarding the accessibility of attachments, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the initial equation or the approach taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the urgency of the original poster's situation, as they are pressed for time with their assignment. There are also indications of missing information due to non-functional attachments, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


This is my 'carrying out a practical investigation' assignment for Maths. I've attached the coursework (what I've wrote up to now) and my main concern is whether I've got the right differential equation to find 3 new velocity values throughout the pendulum trajectory; quarter, mid, three quarters and 1 whole of the way throughout the first swing from being raised to an angle and let go.

The equation I've used I read from this wiki article (under 'energy derivation')
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics)#math_Eq._1

The value that I have in the coursework seems way too large? That's why I think it may not be the right equation.

Cheers

Homework Equations


https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/203521

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/203522

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/203524

The Attempt at a Solution



Once I've found all of the differential equations for angular velocity, momentum, kinetic and potential energy I can start to analyse the data with statistics and relate conclusions to my aims,hypothesis and theory.

I'm reading pages such as https://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~tracy/courses/math22B/22BBook.pdf to try and find the right equations but I am pressed for time with so much to do. Just thought I'd ask for help on here aswell. Thanks
 
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Day3091 said:
The value that I have in the coursework seems way too large? That's why I think it may not be the right equation.

Those attachments do not work, by the way.
 
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Day3091 said:

Homework Statement


This is my 'carrying out a practical investigation' assignment for Maths. I've attached the coursework (what I've wrote up to now) and my main concern is whether I've got the right differential equation to find 3 new velocity values throughout the pendulum trajectory; quarter, mid, three quarters and 1 whole of the way throughout the first swing from being raised to an angle and let go.

The equation I've used I read from this wiki article (under 'energy derivation')
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendulum_(mathematics)#math_Eq._1

The value that I have in the coursework seems way too large? That's why I think it may not be the right equation.

Cheers

Homework Equations


https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/203521

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/203522

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/203524

The Attempt at a Solution



Once I've found all of the differential equations for angular velocity, momentum, kinetic and potential energy I can start to analyse the data with statistics and relate conclusions to my aims,hypothesis and theory.

I'm reading pages such as https://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~tracy/courses/math22B/22BBook.pdf to try and find the right equations but I am pressed for time with so much to do. Just thought I'd ask for help on here aswell. Thanks

Type out your work if you really want help. Most helpers will not look at attachments, and even if they wanted to in your case they could not open them, and would instead find themselves in a digital black hole, requiring them to log out of PF and log in again to get back to the Forums.
 
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Sorry for the late reply guys, I ended up solving it with derivatives and a vector notation function for circular displacement. Ended up being a bit of a jigsaw puzzle of finding values and plugging into the differential equations but I'm moving through the assignment now - thanks a lot.
 

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