Angular Velocity Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation derived from Newton's 2nd Law for rotational motion, specifically applied to a wheel experiencing a constant torque and an opposing frictional torque proportional to the square root of its angular velocity. Participants are tasked with formulating the equation and determining the angular velocity as a function of time.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation, with some expressing confusion about the integration process and the role of initial conditions. There are attempts to separate variables and integrate, with questions about when to apply the initial angular velocity.

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Problem:

Newton's 2nd Law for rotational motion states that the product of the moment of Inertia, I, and the angular acceleration alpha(t) is equal to the net Torque acting on a rotating body. Consider a wheel that is being turned by a motor that exerts a constant torque T. Friction provides an opposing torque proportional to the square root of the angular velocity w(t). The moment of inertia of the wheel is I.

A) Write out a differential equation that represents Newton's 2nd law for rotational motion in this case. Note that alpha(t)=w'(t)

B) If the initial angular velocity is w_o, determine the angular velocity as a function of time, w(t). Can you find an expression for w(t)

Attempt at Solution:

I was able to find the answer for A. I found that it was: I(dw/dt)=T-k(sqrt(w))

As for part B, I am really confused. I know I have to separate the equation and integrate it. I know that dw=w'(t)dt.Other than that I'm lost. First of all, should I be plugging in Wo now or at the end? I'm trying to isolate the w's but I keep getting:
I *w'(t)+k(sqrt(w))=T

I think I need to find a way to get the w's as a product or quotient of each other, so I can use dw=w'(t)dt.
 
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ThomasMagnus said:
Problem:

Newton's 2nd Law for rotational motion states that the product of the moment of Inertia, I, and the angular acceleration alpha(t) is equal to the net Torque acting on a rotating body. Consider a wheel that is being turned by a motor that exerts a constant torque T. Friction provides an opposing torque proportional to the square root of the angular velocity w(t). The moment of inertia of the wheel is I.

A) Write out a differential equation that represents Newton's 2nd law for rotational motion in this case. Note that alpha(t)=w'(t)

B) If the initial angular velocity is w_o, determine the angular velocity as a function of time, w(t). Can you find an expression for w(t)

Attempt at Solution:

I was able to find the answer for A. I found that it was: I(dw/dt)=T-k(sqrt(w))

As for part B, I am really confused. I know I have to separate the equation and integrate it. I know that dw=w'(t)dt.Other than that I'm lost. First of all, should I be plugging in Wo now or at the end? I'm trying to isolate the w's but I keep getting:
I *w'(t)+k(sqrt(w))=T

I think I need to find a way to get the w's as a product or quotient of each other, so I can use dw=w'(t)dt.

It's a separable differential equation. I(dw/dt)=T-k(sqrt(w)) so dw/(T-k(sqrt(w))=dt/I. Integrate both sides. It's a differential equations thing. The w0 part is after you've got the general solution.
 
Ok, now I see it! However, I get: int (dw/T-Ksqrt(w)) on one side. I tried subbing for the whole denominator, but it doesn't seem to work..
 
I \frac{dω}{dt} = τ-k\sqrt{w}
dt(τ-k\sqrt{w})=(I)dω
\frac{dt}{I} = \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dt}{I}= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\frac{1}{I}\int dt= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} (I is constant so you can do this I believe?)
\frac{t}{I}=\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} u=τ-k\sqrt{ω}, du=-\frac{k}{2\sqrt{ω}} dω
\frac{1}{k}2\sqrt{w}du=dω, (\frac{1}{k})(-u+τ)=\sqrt{ω} so dω=(\frac{1}{k})2(-u+τ)du=\frac{-2u+2τ}{k}du
\int \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}} = \int \frac{-2u+2τ}{ku} du
= \frac{1}{k}\int\frac{-2u}{u}du + \frac{1}{k}\int \frac{2τ}{u}du
= \frac{-2}{k}\int du + \frac{2τ}{k}\int \frac{1}{u} = -2\frac{u}{k}+\frac{2τ}{k}*ln|u|+c
= -2(τ-k\sqrt{w})\frac{1}{k} + 2\frac{τ}{k} *ln|τ-k\sqrt{ω|}+c
\frac{-2}{k} (τ-k\sqrt{ω}+τln|τ-k\sqrt{ω}|)+c = \frac{t}{I}

I'm lost at this point. I think everything is OK up to here? How would I plug ωo in? Would I plug it in so that \sqrt{ω} becomes \sqrt{w-wo} which is like \sqrt{\Deltaω} ? or ω(0)=ωo ?
My solutions page says it should be k(√ω-√ωo)+τ ln \frac{τ-k\sqrt{w}}{τ-k\sqrt{ωo}}= -k2t/2I
 
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ThomasMagnus said:
I \frac{dω}{dt} = τ-k\sqrt{w}
dt(τ-k\sqrt{w})=(I)dω
\frac{dt}{I} = \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dt}{I}= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\frac{1}{I}\int dt= \int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} (I is constant so you can do this I believe?)
\frac{t}{I}=\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}}
\int \frac{dω}{τ-k\sqrt{w}} u=τ-k\sqrt{ω}, du=-\frac{k}{2\sqrt{ω}} dω
\frac{1}{k}2\sqrt{w}du=dω, (\frac{1}{k})(-u+τ)=\sqrt{ω} so dω=(\frac{1}{k})2(-u+τ)du=\frac{-2u+2τ}{k}du
\int \frac{dω}{τ-\sqrt{w}} = \int \frac{-2u+2τ}{ku} du
= \frac{1}{k}\int\frac{-2u}{u}du + \frac{1}{k}\int \frac{2τ}{u}du
= \frac{-2}{k}\int du + \frac{2τ}{k}\int \frac{1}{u} = -2\frac{u}{k}+\frac{2τ}{k}*ln|u|+c
= -2(τ-k\sqrt{w})\frac{1}{k} + 2\frac{τ}{k} *ln|τ-k\sqrt{ω|}+c
\frac{-2}{k} (τ-k\sqrt{ω}+τln|τ-k\sqrt{ω}|)+c = \frac{t}{I}

I'm lost at this point. I think everything is OK up to here? How would I plug ωo in? Would I plug it in so that \sqrt{ω} becomes \sqrt{w-wo} which is like \sqrt{\Deltaω} ? or ω(0)=ωo ?
My solutions page says it should be k(√ω-√ωo)+τ ln \frac{τ-k\sqrt{w}}{τ-k\sqrt{ωo}}= -k2t/2I

You are almost right. I think you dropped a factor of k and a sign. Check it. To get the constant c put t=0, and ##\omega(0)=\omega_0##. Once you've solve for c put it back into the solution and simplify.
 

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