Design of Concrete Structures: Solving a Tricky Frame Question from Past Exam

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The discussion revolves around solving a specific problem related to the design of concrete structures, particularly focusing on determining the reactions in a frame structure from a past exam question. The scope includes technical reasoning and mathematical approaches to structural analysis.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in finding the reactions Ra and Rd for a concrete structure frame from an exam question.
  • Another participant questions the initial approach taken to determine the reactions, suggesting that the exercise may not be as difficult as perceived.
  • A participant describes their method of summing moments at point A and converting a uniformly distributed load (UDL) into an equivalent point load (EPL) to find By, and then summing forces in the y direction to find Ay, but expresses uncertainty about the x reactions and moment reaction at point A.
  • One participant proposes a moment equation involving Vd and suggests it might help guide the original poster towards a solution, while questioning if the process has been misunderstood.
  • Another participant cautions that the problem is more complex due to the fixed end moment at A, emphasizing the importance of including it in the moment equations. They recommend using free body diagrams for clarity and note that internal pins cannot support moments, only forces. They also affirm the correctness of By and Ay but encourage finding Ax and the fixed end moment (FEM) at A, while questioning the knowledge of Dx and Dy.

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Participants express differing views on the complexity of the problem and the methods used to approach it. There is no consensus on the correctness of the various methods proposed, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to find the reactions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, the dependence on the definitions of forces and moments, and the need for clarity in the free body diagrams. Specific mathematical steps remain unresolved.

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Hi the following question is from a previous exam for the subject Design of concrete structures, just wondering if I can get any pointers as I was not able to find the reactions.
 

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What was the process you went through to try to determine Ra and Rd? The exercise is not that difficult so I think you may be tripping yourself up somewhere.
 
I summed the moments at point A making the UDL into an EPL to find By, then summed the forces in the y direction to find Ay. Pretty sure that part is right but I was unable to determine the x reactions at A and B as well as the moment reaction at point A.
 
If I was to say (50*4)+(80*4)-(Vd*8) = 0 .'. Vd = ? Would that point you in the write direction? Or have i misunderstood your process?
 
Careful, not that simple, let's not forget the fixed end moment at A, without which this frame would collapse. It must enter into the equations when summing moments. It is best to break apart each member in a free body diagrams of each. Note that internal pins cannot support or transfer any moments, they only can support or transfer forces. Note also that CD is a 2-force member, and as such, it can support vertical forces only directed along the axis of CD. Bill, I believe you have calculated By and Ay correctly, although you don't state your results, so I can't be sure. Now find Ax and the FEM at A, and of course you know what Dx and Dy are, right?
 

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