Designing a Car with Multiple Boxes: Free Body Diagrams

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a car carrying multiple boxes, specifically focusing on the challenges of drawing free body diagrams for scenarios involving three or more stacked boxes during motion and braking. Participants explore the dynamics of stacking boxes and the implications for stability and equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding examples of free body diagrams for three or more boxes stacked on a car, noting that most resources only cover two boxes.
  • Another participant questions why stacking more boxes makes them easier to fall, seeking a detailed explanation.
  • A suggestion is made to model one box and vary its height to understand the dynamics better.
  • Concerns are raised about the differences in stability between a single tall box and multiple stacked boxes, with emphasis on the separation of boxes affecting their stability.
  • One participant argues that the free body diagram for three stacked boxes is similar to that of two boxes, with the additional box introducing its own forces.
  • Discussion includes considerations of center of mass and equilibrium types (stable, unstable, neutral) as they relate to the stability of stacked boxes.
  • Another participant notes that if boxes slide off each other, a single box would also slide off, suggesting that the likelihood of toppling is a key factor in stability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to modeling the problem or the implications of stacking boxes. Multiple competing views on the stability and dynamics of stacked boxes remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the effects of stacking height on stability and the specific forces acting on multiple boxes, indicating a need for further clarification on these points.

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hi, i am studying about design the box carried on car.
i am really stuck in how to draw free body diagram for when 3 or more boxes stack together on car running and braking. there are many example with 2 boxes but i don't know why i can't find any case with 3 or more boxes
thanks in advance
 
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hello,
i have a question about the box carried on car: why the more boxes we stack the easier it fall down ? can anyone explain it in details
thanks
 
Ken12332123123123 said:
hello,
i have a question about the box carried on car: why the more boxes we stack the easier it fall down ? can anyone explain it in details
thanks

For a start, model one box, then vary its height.
 
can you please give me detail. the thing is i think it is different when we use 1 high box and 3 boxes stacking with each other because they separate
 
Ken12332123123123 said:
can you please give me detail. the thing is i think it is different when we use 1 high box and 3 boxes stacking with each other because they separate
I don't understand your problem. If you must design a car with three boxes stacked on top of each other, it is quite the same diagram as when there are two boxes. Just that now there is another box introducing its own forces.

As for the other question about more boxes making the boxes fall off easily, think about the center of mass of the boxes and then the support of the boxes. You should have learned about stable, unstable and neutral equilibrium, how do you think that those relate to the question?
 
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Ken12332123123123 said:
can you please give me detail. the thing is i think it is different when we use 1 high box and 3 boxes stacking with each other because they separate
In practical terms: If they slide off each other, then a single box will slide off the roof too. The difference is in likelihood of toppling over, for which a high box is similar to multiple boxes.
 

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