Designing a closed loop fluid system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a closed loop recirculating fluid system, specifically focusing on the fluid dynamics involved in calculating pressure, volume flow rate, and loss coefficients in a system using water for cooling. The context includes theoretical and practical aspects of fluid mechanics as applied to a project.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster is tasked with determining the pressure at P_return, the volume flow rate, and the k_component for a closed loop system, using Bernoulli's Equation and Darcy-Weisbach.
  • The poster expresses confusion regarding how to account for 90-degree bends and loss coefficients in the system, as advised by their project advisor.
  • One participant notes that Bernoulli's equation does not account for losses and suggests considering viscous flow and Reynolds number, indicating a need for more advanced understanding.
  • Another participant acknowledges the mention of Darcy-Weisbach as a method to account for losses in the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the approach to solving the problem, as there are differing views on the applicability of Bernoulli's equation versus the need to consider viscous flow and losses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to analyze the system.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the original poster's understanding of how to incorporate loss coefficients and the implications of using different equations in fluid dynamics. There is also an indication of missing assumptions regarding the flow conditions and system configuration.

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Homework Statement



I'm doing a project right now which deals with designing a closed loop recirculating system using water to cool multiple components. However, this post will only deal with the fluids portion.

Below is the diagram of a very simplified system. Note that the areas marked red are 90 degree fittings with a given k (loss coefficient) value. I am only given a supply pressure (P_supply) of 100 psi, the lengths of each of the sections (the lengths from dot to dot), the diameter of the pipes, the pipe material, and the temperature of the incoming fluid (water). The diameter of the pipes are all the same, so it's constant diameter. Also, assume that the system is on the same plane, so there is no height or elevation.

I am required to find:
- The pressure at P_return
- The volume flow rate (Q or V_dot)
- The k_component

Homework Equations



Bernoulli's Equation
Darcy Weisbach

The Attempt at a Solution



When I was given this project, it seemed somewhat confusing, so I asked for help from the project advisor. Unfortunately, he didn't give me a clear answer and he's unavailable for the next few days so I cannot ask him any questions for the time being. He just said that the volume flow rate does not have to be given and that there's a relation between pressure, flow, and headloss, and told me to read up on Hydraulic Grade Lines.

Also, he said to split the system up into sections, which are the areas between the red dots. This made me a bit confused because I was wondering how I would account for the 90degree bends so that I can add the loss coefficients, K, into the total head loss.

I have done many problems regarding finding pressure difference, total headloss, etc., but I am totally lost when it comes to finding these many unknowns. I am doing this analysis in Excel as well.

If any of you can give me some tips on how to find or solve this, please let me know.

Thanks!
 

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The Bernoulli equation, based in part on conservation of energy, doen't allow for losses. You need to look at viscous flow (Reynolds number, etc.). This goes somewhat beyond the introductory physics level.
 
Correct, I will add some more formulas to the original post.
 
I didn't see that you had mentioned Darcy-Weisbach. Sorry. That is one way to account for losses.
 

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