Designing a compressed air vehicle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a compressed air powered vehicle, focusing on the calculation of exhaust air velocity using Bernoulli's equation and the implications for thrust generation. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical measurement methods related to the vehicle's propulsion system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a paintball compressed air tank, four nozzles, and a controller board to manage valve openings for a compressed air vehicle.
  • The same participant calculates the exhaust air velocity using Bernoulli's equation, suggesting a velocity of around 3 km/s based on specific pressure and density values.
  • Another participant suggests measuring thrust directly by fixing the thruster nozzle to a scale, questioning the need for theoretical validation.
  • A later reply challenges the validity of the initial equation for compressible flow, indicating that the transition from 30 bar to 1 bar involves compressibility effects and recommends researching "choked flow" for more accurate equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial calculations, with some supporting the need for theoretical validation and others emphasizing the importance of practical measurement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriate method for calculating exhaust velocity and thrust.

Contextual Notes

The initial calculations may depend on assumptions about flow conditions and compressibility, which are not fully addressed. The discussion highlights the complexity of transitioning from high to low pressure in gas dynamics.

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I am doing a school project, building a compressed air powered vehicle to reach desired destination.
What I am thinking is:
I will use a paintball compressed air tank.
Four nozzles.
And an controller board to control valve opening.
Valve will only open for certain time like (50ms). After each round of opening, controller board will determine its location and compare it with destination. This will give feedback on which valves to be opened in the next round. But well, all those are just some background information.

My question is, for example, my compressed air is charged till 30 bar. And the air will eject to the ambient.
Based on bernoulli equation, I get this for exhaust air velocity from the nozzle:

Pg + 1/2 p Vg^2 = Pa
Pg=30bar
Pa=1bar
and p = air density = 1.225 kg/m^3
So what I get for exhaust velocity is around 3km/s.
OMG is this true??

Schematic diagram is attached as follow.

And if it is not true, how do I get the exhaust velocity of the air? I need them to compute the final thrust of the air thruster.

Thanks for your help!
 

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Have you considered getting the thrust more directly, by directly measuring it? Fix your thruster nozzle to a scale, and see what the scale reads?
 
Nugatory said:
Have you considered getting the thrust more directly, by directly measuring it? Fix your thruster nozzle to a scale, and see what the scale reads?
I'm doing initial design. I need some theoretical validation of my model:)
 
Your equation is not valid for compressible flow, and going from 30 bar to 1 bar is definitely in the realm of compressibility. Look up "choked flow" for a more realistic set of equations.
 

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