Designing a Rocket Airframe with Carbon Fiber

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a rocket airframe using carbon fiber, particularly in the context of a competition with NASA. Participants explore the properties of carbon fiber, its advantages, and considerations for airframe design, including structural integrity and weight. The conversation includes both technical insights and personal experiences related to aerospace engineering.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Ali expresses a need for resources on rocket airframe design and the benefits of using carbon fiber, indicating a lack of prior knowledge in aerospace engineering.
  • Some participants note that carbon fiber offers extreme strength and flexibility while being lightweight, which is crucial for flight applications.
  • Ali mentions that the rocket must not exceed 1 mile in altitude and outlines the requirements for the Preliminary Design Review, including discussing material advantages and risks.
  • One participant humorously suggests that Ali, as an aerospace major, should be more knowledgeable about the topic than they are, despite their own lack of formal education.
  • Greg shares insights from his experience with the Delta IV rocket structure, suggesting a design involving monolithic rings and discussing alternative frame materials like 2024 and 6061 aluminum, emphasizing the importance of tubing dimensions based on expected G forces.
  • Greg recommends bolting carbon fiber sheeting to the frame to enhance longitudinal bending strength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the advantages of carbon fiber for rocket airframes, but there are differing opinions on specific design approaches and materials. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for airframe design.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding the rocket's design requirements or the specific G forces expected, which may influence material choices and structural design.

Who May Find This Useful

Aerospace engineering students, hobbyists interested in rocketry, and individuals involved in aerospace competitions may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm a sophomore Aerospace major, and I'm also a new member to a rocket student group at my university. We are currently involved in a competition with NASA, and they have asked our group to write a Preliminary Design Review. Everything was split up, and I was left with the rocket's airframe design. I unfortunately have never taken a single Aerospace class and I have no idea where to start. I'm also leaving town tomorrow morning and will have no access to internet until Monday (the paper is to be done by Tuesday). So I was wondering if anyone had any good reads on Rocket Airframe, where I could save onto my laptop and read it while I'm out of town. We're using carbon fiber for the airframe, so if anyone has any reads on why it would be beneficial to use carbon fiber, please let me know. Again, I'm not too familiar with any of this, but I'm really interested in learning, so any help is HIGHLY appreciated. Thank you all in advance for your help!

- Ali
 
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I can't really speak to shape, which I think depends upon the purpose of the rocket. Carbon fibre has the advantage of extreme strength and flexibility combined with low weight. Weight means an awful lot to anything that flies.
 
I believe one of the goals is that the rocket is to exceed no more than 1 mile in altitude. It's a NASA competition, so there are a lot of restrictions. As far as my project lead said, all I have to do is write about the airframe, give some basic info, let them know what type of material we are using, talk about any advantages & disadvantages, and also a little about the risks involved. I personally have no idea about all this stuff, and they sprung this on me three hours ago, so I've had no time to plan for it as I'm on my way to leave tomorrow morning.
 
Well, I think that with you being an Aerospace major and me being a high-school dropout, you probably should be able to handle this without my assistance. I mean, really... there's no way in the world that you could know less about this stuff than I do.
 
Hello,
Having worked on the delta iv rocket structure.
It is monolithic rings with which the sheeting is attached to.
It was extremely strong and light and required a lot of machining.


For the size of your rocket a 2024 tubular frame bolted together or
a 6061 tubular frame welded together by an extremely good welder
would give you an extremely strong and light frame.

Tubing dimensions would be defined by the amount of the G force the vehicle
is expected to see.

To give the vehicle more longitudinal bending strength the sheeting should
be bolted to the structure,preferably carbon fiber sheeting.

This is the same design we are currently using on our prototype
nanosat launch vehicle.

Greg
 

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