Designing a Voltage Regulator Circuit w/ LM7805

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a voltage regulator circuit using the LM7805. Participants explore the appropriate capacitor values to use in the circuit, their functions, and the implications of different capacitor sizes on stability and performance.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about how to determine the appropriate capacitor values for the LM7805 circuit and questions the function of the capacitors connected between the common leg and input/output.
  • Another participant notes that input and output capacitors are generally for stability and to minimize transient variations, suggesting that the datasheet provides guidelines on capacitor values and specifications.
  • A different participant mentions that neither capacitor is very critical, suggesting a 0.1 µF non-electrolytic capacitor for both input and output for high-frequency bypassing.
  • Concerns are raised about using too large a capacitor on the output, which could cause voltage reversal and affect the regulator's ability to sense changes quickly.
  • One participant shares their experience using 10 or 100 µF electrolytics for smoothing in non-critical applications, referencing a TI reference design that suggests a few dozen or few hundred nF.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the criticality of capacitor values and their functions, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the optimal capacitor specifications for the LM7805 circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of equivalent series resistance (ESR) and the potential impact of capacitor size on the regulator's performance, but do not resolve the implications of these factors.

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Hi!

I'm working on designing my own voltage regulator circuit by using LM7805.

From what I found from website the capacitors connected parallel between common leg and input and common leg and output,its values varies from one website to another.

Actually how to determine what capacitor should be used on the circuit?Can someone teach me?What is the function of those capacitors? For capacitor between common leg and input is greater than capacitor between common leg and output,why?Is it due to the voltage on input and output?

Thanks!
 
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ws0619 said:
Hi!

I'm working on designing my own voltage regulator circuit by using LM7805.

From what I found from website the capacitors connected parallel between common leg and input and common leg and output,its values varies from one website to another.

Actually how to determine what capacitor should be used on the circuit?Can someone teach me?What is the function of those capacitors? For capacitor between common leg and input is greater than capacitor between common leg and output,why?Is it due to the voltage on input and output?

Thanks!

Input and output capacitors on voltage regulators are generally there for stability and to minimize transient variations. The datasheet for each regulator should give you guidelines on the values and any other specs (like equivalent series resistance ESR of the caps).

The output caps on low-dropout linear regulators are often important for stability, and both the input and output capacitors are often important for switching regulators (generally the input caps are important for stability, and the output caps with low ESR are important for low output ripple).
 
Neither capacitor is very critical.

The input one adds a little to the filtering of the previous power source, but it must also be a good bypass at high frequencies for stability reasons. So, 0.1 uF non electrolytic would be OK.

The output one also has to be a good bypass at high frequencies. 0.1 non electrolytics would be OK here too. Miniature 0.1 uF monolithics seem to be best if you can get them.

For some reason, negative regulators like the 7905 can oscillate readily if you don't have adequate HF filtering on their input and output. 7805s are not as bad.

It is important not to have too big a capacitor on the output or it will hold the 5 volts when you remove the power supply and this would be a voltage reversal on the regulator chip.
Some chips can fail if you do this.

The regulation of the device can also suffer if you put a big capacitor on the output. The chip can't sense changes as quickly as if it had a small capacitor there. Again, 0.1 uF is usually OK.
 
I think the TI reference design calls for something on the order of a few dozen or few hundred nF. For a 7805, I generally just use 10 or 100 uF electrolytics, which helps keep the input and output fairly smooth (even with not so great harvested wall warts).

EDIT: I should point out that my experience is in fairly non-critical hobbyist-type applications.
 

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