Detecting Overvoltage in 3-Phase AC Signal

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The discussion revolves around detecting overvoltage in each phase of a 3-phase AC signal, focusing on the design of a circuit that can effectively measure voltage levels while addressing grounding and reference issues. The conversation includes considerations for rectification methods and circuit isolation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a full bridge rectifier for each phase but questions what to reference the output to, considering the grounded neutral of the 3-phase AC source.
  • Another participant agrees that a bridge rectifier is a reasonable approach but raises concerns about the sufficiency of seeing only the peak of every other half waveform.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for full-wave rectification, stating that overvoltage can occur at any point in the cycle and questions the options available given the grounding setup.
  • A suggestion is made to use differential measurement after full-wave rectification, with the need for split power supplies to power the measuring circuitry.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about what to use as a reference after full-wave rectification and requests a circuit diagram.
  • A later reply clarifies a misunderstanding regarding attenuation, indicating that the participant has resolved their question about that aspect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of using a bridge rectifier and the implications of grounding. There is no consensus on the best approach to reference the output after rectification, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal design for detecting overvoltage.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of circuit isolation and the implications of using a grounded neutral, but the discussion does not resolve the dependencies on these factors or the specific requirements for the circuit design.

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Hi,
I have to detect overvoltage on each of the 3 phases (individually) of a 3 phase AC signal. The 3 phase AC source has a neutral that is grounded and I have to use the same ground plane for my PCB.
I was thinking of using a full bridge rectifier for each of the 3 phase but the problem is what do I reference the output to? Is there any other way or would I need a transformer?
I have attached the schematic as an attachment.

Thanks
 

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hemant03 said:
Hi,
I have to detect overvoltage on each of the 3 phases (individually) of a 3 phase AC signal. The 3 phase AC source has a neutral that is grounded and I have to use the same ground plane for my PCB.
I was thinking of using a full bridge rectifier for each of the 3 phase but the problem is what do I reference the output to? Is there any other way or would I need a transformer?
I have attached the schematic as an attachment.

Thanks

The bridge seems like a reasonable approach. If you use a single diode and Neutral ground your PCB, you can see the peak of every other half waveform. Is that sufficient?

BTW, using Neutral for your PCB ground means that your circuit is not going to be SELV. Is the whole circuit isolated from other SELV circuitry nearby?
 
No, the need is full wave rectification as overvtg can occur on any of the cycle.

For the second section, the neutral of the 3 phase is tied to the chassis/system gnd and pcb gnd is also tied to the same so , i guess the answer would be no.
So, what are other options available to me?
 
hemant03 said:
No, the need is full wave rectification as overvtg can occur on any of the cycle.

For the second section, the neutral of the 3 phase is tied to the chassis/system gnd and pcb gnd is also tied to the same so , i guess the answer would be no.
So, what are other options available to me?

What is your power source for your circuitry? You can still do the full-wave rectification, attenuate the voltage, and measure it differentially. You will need split power supplies (like +/-12V) to power the measuring circuitry.
 
115vac 10amps. 3 phase. Can you send me the circuit. I am not sure of what to use as reference after full wave rectification.
 
hemant03 said:
115vac 10amps. 3 phase. Can you send me the circuit. I am not sure of what to use as reference after full wave rectification.

What is the context of your question? Why are you being asked to design this circuit if you do not know how to do it?
 
Hi,
Oh! I guess there was a misunderstanding. What I meant was how do i attenuate. I believe I have figured that out. Thanks for the idea though.

Thanks,
- Hemant
 

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