Detector moving toward charged ring - rate of change of V

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The problem involves a charged ring and a detector moving toward it, focusing on how the electric potential changes as the detector approaches. The context is within electrostatics, specifically dealing with the potential due to a charged object and the effects of motion on that potential.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevant equations for electric potential and the implications of the detector's motion. There is uncertainty about whether to evaluate the rate of change of potential with respect to position or time, leading to different interpretations of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered suggestions to clarify the approach, while others express confusion about the problem's requirements. There is acknowledgment of multiple interpretations regarding the rate of change being sought, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential ambiguity in the problem statement, particularly regarding the significance of the detector's velocity and how it relates to the rate of change of potential. There is also mention of the possibility of calculating different rates of change, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A thin ring (radius r = 1.41 cm) carries a charge Q = 8.57 pC distributed uniformly along its length. The ring lies in the y-z plane, so the axis through its center is the x-axis .

A small detector is moving along the positive x-axis toward the ring at velocity v = -0.543i mm/s. When the detector reaches the point (5.91 cm,0), at what rate does it measure the potential is changing, in V/m? The sign will indicate whether it is increasing or decreasing.
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Homework Equations


V = kQ / (x2+R2)1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



I honestly cannot even figure out now looking at my notes what I actually did as it was towards the morning when I did this :biggrin: but this is what I have:

V = (Q/2πε0r2)*[(x2+r2)1/2-x]

It seems I took dV/dt and got (Q/2πε0r2)* x/(x2+r2)1/2

and then plugging in values I got - 0.409 :confused:
 
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I suggest you start again with a clear head. Your 'relevant equation' is right, but I cannot see how you got from there to your next equation. We cannot point out where you went wrong if you do not post your working.
 
Confusing question. The problem asks for rate of change of potential in V/m, suggesting what is sought is dV/dx evaluated at P. On the other hand, the velocity of P is also given, suggesting what is sought is dV/dt evaluated at P.
Take your pick I guess ...
 
They could also ask how the electric field (in V/m) is changing as function of time.
Pick one, or calculate more than one.
 
Yes, but then why did they give the speed? Something is odd, I just considered another option.
 
mfb said:
Yes, but then why did they give the speed? Something is odd, I just considered another option.
Sorry, I thought I had deleted my post. Yes, agreed, as I say, a confusing question!
 

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