Determinant Question: Show det(M) = det(A) det(D)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of determinants, specifically focusing on a matrix M constructed from smaller matrices A, B, and D. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that the determinant of M can be expressed as the product of the determinants of A and D.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various methods for calculating the determinant, including cofactor expansion and induction. There is a suggestion to explore combinatorial proofs and the potential for diagonalization of the matrix M.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using induction and cofactor expansion, while others have raised questions about the specifics of the matrix structure and the implications of using different rows or columns for expansion. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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There is mention of a potential combinatorial proof and the use of block matrices, indicating that participants are considering various mathematical frameworks and assumptions related to the determinant's properties.

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Homework Statement



A is a k by k matrix, B is a k by l matrix, D is an l by l matrix.

Let M be the (k+l) by (k+l) matrix that has A in the upper left, B in the upper right, D in the lower right, and 0 in the lower left.

Show that det(M) = det(A) det(D)

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your attempt?
 
I would have posted my attempt if it had gone anywhere. But anyway, I tried to use the fact the determinant is an alternating multilinear map. I tried to use cofactor expansion and that seemed like it might work but could get really messy and I thought that there is probably a better way to do it. On second thought though, cofactor expansion might be the best approach...
 
Cofactor expansion on the first row is a good idea. Try induction on k.

I've seen a combinatorial proof of this, but unfortunately have long forgotten it.
 
Wait. Do you mean the first column? The first row doesn't (necessarily) have any 0s in it?
 
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i think tou can diagonalize the bigger M matrix with an SO(k+l) rotation, the determinant should be invariant under this operation.
Now u get a block reduced matrix and you equation hold.
 
Never mind. Induction worked well. Now I want to show that if our matrix is

(A B)
(C D)

where A is k by k, B is k by l, C is l by k, D is l by l

Then its determinant is detA det(C A^(-1) B)

I have seen this before and it involves factoring the matrix into 2 triangular matrices. I forget exactly how it goes. Does anyone remember why you can do this:

(A B) = ( E 0)(A B )
(C D) ( C A^(-1) E)( 0 D - C A^(-1) B )

if that makes sense. E is the identity matrix.
 
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Never mind. I just realized you can multiply "block" matrices block by block.
 

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