Determination of limit in Riemann sums.

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of a Riemann sum as n approaches infinity, specifically relating to the expression involving the integral of xe^(-2x) from 0 to 1. Participants explore various methods to approach this limit, questioning the necessity of using definite integrals.

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  • Participants suggest using summation by parts and express the sum in terms of sequences. Some question whether there are alternative methods beyond Riemann sums and definite integrals. Others discuss the complexity of certain methods and express a preference for integration by parts.

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The discussion is active with multiple approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on using summation by parts, while others emphasize the simplicity of using definite integrals. There is recognition of different methods, but no consensus on a single preferred approach.

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Participants note the potential complexity of certain methods and the expectation that the problem may be designed to lead to a solution via Riemann sums or definite integrals. There are also mentions of errors in the expressions being discussed, indicating a careful examination of the mathematical details.

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How could I find the lim as n-> infinity of the expression I attached?


The only way I could find was to express it in terms of a definite integral.

Integral of xe^(-2x) from 0 to 1.

What is the other way?
 

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Have you tried summation by parts? Try setting ##a_i = i##, ##b_i = e^{-2i/n}##, and ##B_i = \sum_{j=1}^i b_j##. Then your sum becomes
$$\begin{align}
\frac{1}{n^2}\sum_{i=1}^n a_i b_i
&= \frac{1}{n^2} \left(a_n b_n - \sum_{i=1}^{n-1}B_i (a_{i+1}-a_i)\right) \end{align}$$
which should be easier to work with since ##a_{i+1} - a_i = 1## and ##B_i## is a partial sum of a geometric series.
 
Since you posted another problem with "Riemann sums", yes, that is probably what you are expected to do. I doubt there is any "other way" to do this.

Now, do you know how, without using "Riemann sums", to find \int_0^1 xe^{-2x} dx[/tex]?<br /> <br /> (Hint- let u= -2x.)
 
Jbunnii, i followed the site. Apparently that method is similar to integration by parts and it looks quite complicated!
I think this clarified that i must aimply use the integral which is quite easy to do with integration by parts!
Thanks for the help!
 
[edited to fix a few typos]

alingy1 said:
Jbunnii, i followed the site. Apparently that method is similar to integration by parts and it looks quite complicated!
I think this clarified that i must aimply use the integral which is quite easy to do with integration by parts!
Thanks for the help!
I agree, the integral/Riemann sum method should be the easiest way to solve this, and most likely it's what the author of the question intended.

The summation by parts approach also works, though. It has the advantage of being more elementary (you don't need to bring in the machinery of Riemann integration) but it does require a bit more work. Here's a sketch. As I wrote above, we set ##a_i = i##, ##b_i = e^{-2i/n}##, and ##B_i = \sum_{j=1}^{i} b_j##. Then we have to evaluate the limit of this sum:
$$\begin{align}
\frac{1}{n^2}\sum_{i=1}^n a_i b_i
&= \frac{1}{n^2} \left(a_n b_n - \sum_{i=1}^{n-1}B_i (a_{i+1}-a_i)\right) \end{align}$$
Note that ##a_{i+1} - a_i = 1## and
$$B_i = \sum_{j=1}^{i} e^{-2j/n} = \sum_{j=1}^{i} (e^{-2/n})^j = e^{-2/n}\sum_{j=0}^{i-1}(e^{-2/n})^j = e^{-2/n}\frac{1 - e^{-2i/n}}{1 - e^{-2/n}}$$
So our sum reduces to
$$\frac{1}{n^2} \left(n e^{-2} - \frac{e^{-2/n}}{1 - e^{-2/n}} \sum_{i=1}^{n-1} (1 - e^{-2i/n})\right)$$
Now you need to simplify further and take the limit as ##n \rightarrow \infty##.
 
This too can be handled without the definite integrals. First notice that:
$$\sum_{i=1}^{n} x^i=x\frac{x^n-1}{x-1}$$
(You should be able to prove the above as it is a simple geometric progression).

Differentiate both the sides with respect to ##x## to obtain:
$$\sum_{i=1}^n i\,x^{i-1}=\frac{nx^{n+1}-(n+1)x^n+1}{(x-1)^2}$$
$$\Rightarrow \sum_{i=1}^n i\,x^{i}=\frac{nx^{n+2}-(n+1)x^{n+1}+x}{(x-1)^2}$$
Replace ##x## with ##e^{-2/n}## and divide by ##n^2## on both the sides to obtain:
$$\sum_{i=1}^n \frac{ie^{-2i/n}}{n^2}=\frac{ne^{-2-4/n}-(n+1)e^{-2-2/n}+e^{-2/n}}{(e^{-2/n}-1)^2n^2}=\frac{n+e^{2/n+2}-e^{2/n}(n+1)}{e^2(e^{2/n}-1)^2n^2}$$
$$\Rightarrow \sum_{i=1}^n \frac{ie^{-2i/n}}{n^2}=\frac{-n(e^{2/n}-1)+e^{2/n}(e^2-1)}{e^2(e^{2/n}-1)^2n^2}=\frac{-2\left(\frac{e^{2/n}-1}{2/n}\right)+e^{2/n}(e^2-1)}{4e^2\left(\frac{e^{2/n}-1}{2/n}\right)^2}$$
Notice that as ##n\rightarrow \infty##, ##e^{2/n} \rightarrow 1## and ##\frac{e^{2/n}-1}{2/n} \rightarrow 1##, hence,
$$\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{-2\left(\frac{e^{2/n}-1}{2/n}\right)+e^{2/n}(e^2-1)}{4e^2\left(\frac{e^{2/n}-1}{2/n}\right)^2}=\frac{-2+e^2-1}{4e^2}=\boxed{\dfrac{e^2-3}{4e^2}}$$

Moral: It is better to use definite integrals. :-p
 
jbunniii said:
Then we have to evaluate the limit of this sum:
$$\begin{align}
\frac{1}{n^2}\sum_{i=1}^n a_i b_i
&= \frac{1}{n^2} \left(a_n b_n - \sum_{i=1}^{n-1}B_i (a_{i+1}-a_i)\right) \end{align}$$
There's a key error here: That ##a_nb_n## should be ##a_nB_n##. This should be
\frac{1}{n^2}\sum_{i=1}^n a_i b_i <br /> = \frac{1}{n^2} \left(a_n B_n - \sum_{i=1}^{n-1}B_i (a_{i+1}-a_i)\right)
 
D H said:
There's a key error here: That ##a_nb_n## should be ##a_nB_n##. This should be
\frac{1}{n^2}\sum_{i=1}^n a_i b_i <br /> = \frac{1}{n^2} \left(a_n B_n - \sum_{i=1}^{n-1}B_i (a_{i+1}-a_i)\right)
Good catch, thanks!
 

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