Determine an expression for distance traveled and the time elapsed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving expressions for the distance traveled and the time elapsed by a self-propelled vehicle under constant power, focusing on the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and distance. The context is primarily homework-related, involving mathematical reasoning and application of physics principles.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the acceleration as a function of power and velocity, suggesting the relationship a = P/mv.
  • Another participant proposes using the chain rule to relate acceleration, velocity, and distance, indicating a potential method for deriving the expressions.
  • There is a discussion about whether initial conditions, such as initial velocity (vo) and initial distance (so), can be assumed to be zero.
  • One participant derives expressions for distance and time, but there is uncertainty about the correctness of these expressions, particularly regarding the constants used.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation used for initial and final velocities, with suggestions to use v and vo instead of v1 and v2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the derived expressions for distance and time, indicating that there is no consensus on the validity of the solutions presented.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about initial conditions and the constants used in the derived equations, which may affect the validity of the results.

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Homework Statement



A self propelled vehicle of mass m travels in a straight line. The vehicle has an engine which provides constant power P so that the acceleration 'a' at an instant is given by a=P/mv where v is the speed of the vehicle and all frictional resistance is neglected. Determine expressions for:

a) the distance traveled,

b) the time elapsed


Homework Equations



a=P/mv


The Attempt at a Solution



I took the derivative of a so,

a=dv/dt then tried to get to v=ds/dt

I ended up with this

ds/dt=sqrt(2p/m + Vo^2)
 
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hi thestiggg! welcome to pf! :smile:
thestiggg said:
Determine expressions for:

a) the distance traveled,

b) the time elapsed

I ended up with this

ds/dt=sqrt(2p/m + Vo^2)

you mean ds/dt=√(2pt/m + vo2) ? :wink:

but i suspect the question wants answers to a) and b) as functions of v …

try the standard chain rule trick a = dv/dt = dv/ds ds/dt = v dv/ds :smile:
 
Yes sorry I missed the t but that's what I meant. I'll give it a try and get back to you

EDIT: and should I integrate and evaluate to v, vo, s and so?
 
yup! :smile:
 
Is it safe to assume that vo, so is = 0 according to the question?
 
Okay so for a) I used "v dv = a ds " and I got " (m/p)*((v2^3-v1^3)/3) + so = s "

For b) I used a=dv/dt and I got " t= (m/p)*((v2^2-v1^2)/2) "

Does that look reasonable?
 
i don't think so
 
oops!

oh I'm sorry! :redface:

i was replying to your post #5, i didn't notice your post #6 at all (it came in a few seconds before mine) …
thestiggg said:
Okay so for a) I used "v dv = a ds " and I got " (m/p)*((v2^3-v1^3)/3) + so = s "

For b) I used a=dv/dt and I got " t= (m/p)*((v2^2-v1^2)/2) "

Does that look reasonable?

yes, that's fine! :smile:

(except for the constants in the first one: you need either a constant s0 or a constant v0, not both!

also, you should use v and v0, not v1 and v2 :wink:)
 

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