Engineering Dynamics - Car Striking a Barrier

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving a car striking a barrier and determining the distance of penetration into the barrier based on the forces involved. The problem includes concepts from dynamics, energy conservation, and the application of force over distance.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the initial conditions, including the car's mass and velocity, and proposes using energy conservation principles to find the penetration distance.
  • Another participant suggests keeping track of signs in the energy equation, indicating the importance of correctly applying the work-energy principle.
  • A participant calculates the work done by the resistance force and derives an expression for the penetration distance based on energy considerations.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the energy calculations, particularly regarding the conversion from kinetic energy and the integration of force over distance.
  • Another participant clarifies the use of units in the context of the problem, emphasizing the need to consider the area under the force vs. distance graph in the correct units.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of using energy conservation to solve the problem, but there are discrepancies in the calculations and interpretations of the results. Some participants arrive at a penetration distance of 2.10 m, while others express uncertainty about the energy values used in their calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the correct application of units and the integration of force over distance, as well as differing interpretations of the energy calculations. Some participants also noted the importance of using consistent SI units throughout the problem.

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Homework Statement


A car, assumed to be rigid and having a mass of 800 kg, strikes a barrel-barrier installation without the driver applying the brakes. From experiments the magnitude of the force of resistance F_r, created by deforming the barrels successive, is shown as a function of the vehicle penetration, s. If the car strikes the barrier traveling at a velocity v_c = 60 km/h, determine approximately the distance s to which the car penetrates the barrier.

http://imgur.com/LYc87dW - here is a picture of my question. This has the graph of how the barrels resistance force increases with s.

Homework Equations



v_c = 60 km/h = 16.67 m/s
m = 800 kg

T (Kinetic energy) = 1/2 * mv^2

U_1->2 = ∫F ds

∑U_1->2 = T_2 - T_1

The Attempt at a Solution



Starting off I assumed that once the car had reached the distance s it will have zero kinetic energy. So my equation became

∑U_1->2 = - T_1,

∫F ds = - 1/2 *mv^2, would my bounds of integration be 0 -> s ?

I don't really know what to do, am I using the right principles here?
 
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You got it somewhat figured out. Keep in mind the signs when simplifying this:
$$E_{\text{Final}} - E_{\text{Initial}} = \int \vec{F}(\vec{s}) \cdot \text{d}\vec{s}$$
 
OK so then I would have,

∫F ds 0 -> s = - 1/2 *mv2

∫F ds 0 -> s = 111,155.56 J

So from the graph, 40 kN x 0.75m = 30 J

Then I need 111,155.56 J - 30,000 J = 81,155.56 J,

so 60 kN x s = 81,155.56 J

s = 81,155.56 J / 60 kN

s = 1.35 m, then 1.35m + 0.75m = 2.10m
 
I did something similar, but I don't get how you end up with 111,155.56 J. -1/2 (800)(60)^2 = 1,440,000. I wanted to go about it the same way as you but as I added up the separate distances, they went past the graph and still didn't get close to the amount of energy needed. Can anyone please clarify this?

... 5 seconds later I realize we use m/s not km/h in SI, after spending two hours trying to figure it out... sorry thanks anyways
 
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ConnorM said:
OK so then I would have,

∫F ds 0 -> s = - 1/2 *mv2

∫F ds 0 -> s = 111,155.56 J

So from the graph, 40 kN x 0.75m = 30 J

Then I need 111,155.56 J - 30,000 J = 81,155.56 J,

so 60 kN x s = 81,155.56 J

s = 81,155.56 J / 60 kN

s = 1.35 m, then 1.35m + 0.75m = 2.10m
I think I'm taking the same dynamics course as you, I finished my CAP assignment yesterday so I might be able to help.

Remember Fr is opposite to the displacement therefore negative such that:

T1 + ∑U1→2 = T2
1/2mv^2 - Area = 0

Also you are measuring area so your units will be according to the graph "kN m" not "J" such that:

Area = 111155.56 N ft = 111.16 kN ft I also got "s = 2.10 m" as my final answer, so I'm assuming it's right.
 

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