# Determine dy/dx of the following and simplify if possible

1. Aug 12, 2015

### DevonZA

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cos(x-y)=ysinx

My attempt:
-sin(x-y(x'-y')=y'cosx.x'

Yeah I'm stuck.. I know it is differentiation of implicit functions and I need to make y' the subject of the formula.

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2. Aug 12, 2015

### ShayanJ

Do you know that $x'=\frac{dx}{dx}=1$?

3. Aug 12, 2015

### DevonZA

I do now

4. Aug 12, 2015

### ShayanJ

Actually you've done something wrong. You should have $(y'-1)\sin(x-y)=y'\sin x+y \cos x \Rightarrow [\sin(x-y)-\sin x]y'=y\cos x +\sin(x-y)$.
Can you continue?

5. Aug 12, 2015

### DevonZA

y'= $\frac{ycosx+sin(x-y)}{sin(x-y)-sinx}$

y'=$\frac{ycosx}{-sinx}$

Therefore $\frac{dy}{dx}$ = $\frac{ycosx}{-sinx}$

6. Aug 12, 2015

### ShayanJ

What happened to $\sin(x-y)$? You can't do that!

7. Aug 12, 2015

### DevonZA

Um it got cancelled because it was the numerator and denominator of the fraction? My bad

8. Aug 12, 2015

### ShayanJ

If it was something like $\frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)h(x)}$, then you could cancel f(x) and have $\frac{g(x)}{h(x)}$. But here you have $\frac{f(x)+g(x)}{f(x)+h(x)}$. you can't simplify further.

9. Aug 12, 2015

### DevonZA

$\frac{dy}{dx}$ = $\frac{ycosx+sin(x-y)}{sin(x-y)-sinx}$

Is the final answer then?

10. Aug 12, 2015

### ShayanJ

Yes

11. Aug 12, 2015

### DevonZA

Thank you very much

12. Aug 16, 2015

### DevonZA

Final answer attached. Thanks to all who helped.

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