Determine the electric field at the centre of the triangle

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The discussion revolves around determining the electric field at the center of an equilateral triangle with specific charge placements. The triangle has a side length of 15.6 cm, with a +2.0 μC charge at one vertex and two -4 μC charges at the other vertices. Participants are exploring the geometric relationships and calculations necessary to find the center of the triangle and how to apply these to the electric field calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of Pythagorean theorem to find the height of the triangle and its relation to the center. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the triangle's geometry and how to accurately determine the center's position. Some participants express confusion about the need for certain calculations and the reasoning behind dividing heights.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in clarifying geometric relationships and calculations. Some have provided insights on how to relate different triangle segments, while others are still working through their understanding of the problem setup and calculations. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of geometric relationships in an equilateral triangle and the implications for calculating electric fields. There are indications of confusion regarding the correct application of the Pythagorean theorem and the significance of certain measurements in the context of the problem.

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Consider an equilateral triangle of side 15.6cm. A charge of +2.0μC is placed at one vertex and charges -4μC each are placed at the two. Determine the electric field at the centre of the triangle.

I used Pythagoreom theory to find the height and divided it by 2 but now I'm stuck because I realized it's not exactly the middle of the triangle, but rather the middle of the triangle side =/ How do I go from there to find the centre?

Then I basically will use the formula E = kQ / r2, for the charge +2.0μC towards the centre. And correct me if I'm wrong, but do the electric field at the bottom end up cancelling out, or just the x-components of their electric field?
 
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See the dashed-line triangles? Can you see that their height + their dashed-line side = the height you have found?
 
I'm sorry, I don't exactly follow. =/ Are you saying I don't need to do the Pythagorean process?
 
You need to determine the position of the center. You have found the height of the triangle, but you are not sure how the height corresponds to the position of center. If you consider those dashed-line triangles, you will see how the center divides the height. Yes, you will need Pythagoras' theorem for that.
 
mhmm, so here is what I did... With the 15.6cm, I used Pythagorean to find the height to be 13.5cm of the side triangle. Then Pythagorean theorom again to find the height of the center, which I calculated to be 11.0cm. Divided that by 2 to get the centre of the triangle.

Am I in the right direction this time?
 
Let's say the height of the bug triangle is H - this is what you have found.

Let's say that the height of the "dashed" triangle (say, the one at the bottom) is h. Observe that (H - h) is equal to the length hypotenuse of one half of the "dashed" triangle. Can you relate H and h given all this, and find out what h is?
 
I'm sorry, I'm really horrible visualizing this, but I think I get what you mean!

So, I found the height of the bottom dashed triangle.
I divided it in half...
Used it with the height of the side triangle I originally found
And with Pythagorean Theorom, found the height at the centre then divided it by 2 ... ?
 
I am not sure I understand the reason for the final division. Can you show your intermediate results?
 
So with the side triangle: I found the height to be 13.51cm
With the bottom dashed triangle... because I need the height to reach the centre, I divided the height of that dashed triangle by 2, so I got: 6.7cm

Using the side triangle height, the half height of the bottom dashed triangle and Pythagorean, I found the full height at the centre of the triangle to be: 11.7cm

But because I only need the height from the tip of the equilateral triangle to the centre, I divided the full height by 2 and got: 5.9cm
 
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Let's label the vertices of the big triangle A (left), B (top), C (right). Let's call the point in the middle D. Let E denote the point of the intersection of line BD with line AC.

You have found that the length of segment AE = H = 13.51 cm. That is correct.

Now you need to find the length of segment DE = h = ?. To find this, you may consider triangle ADE. In this triangle, you know the length of AE, and you know what angle DAE is (what is it?). From these, you can find the length of DE.
 

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