Determine the gain of proportional controller

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the gain of a proportional controller in a control system for an electric heating system. Participants explore the implications of disturbance feedback control and the necessary calculations to eliminate the effect of external temperature disturbances on the output temperature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting by finding the transfer function from the disturbance temperature (θD) to the output temperature (θO) and recommends using symbols for a general result.
  • Another participant points out that the control system described is actually feed-forward control, indicating a misunderstanding of feedback paths in the diagram.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the symbols in an attached equation and request clarification on their meanings and derivation.
  • One participant encourages working through the algebra of the problem by identifying components of the system, such as the transducer, power supply, and heater, to derive an expression for θO.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty about the problem and the relevant equations, with no consensus on how to proceed or what the correct approach is. Multiple viewpoints on the nature of the control system and the necessary calculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of familiarity with the specific type of question presented, and there are references to learning materials that may not adequately cover the topic at hand. There is also mention of the need for clearer definitions of symbols used in equations.

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Homework Statement



FIGURE 9 shows the block diagram of the control of an electric heatingsystem. The heater is driven from a voltage-controlled power supply, the

voltage V1 being derived from a potientiometer. The output temperature,

θO, is subject to disturbances, θD, because of changes in the ambient

temperature. It is proposed to apply 'disturbance feedback control' to the

system by the inclusion of a transducer that measures the external

temperature and feeds a signal back to the input via a proportional

controller of gain H.

Determine the required value of H to eliminate the effect of the disturbance.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Unsure where to start.
 

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You could start by finding the transfer function from ##\theta_D## to ##\theta_O##. I'd suggest you replace everything in the boxes with symbols, so you get a general result without numbers and units mucking up your algebra - it's a useful habit.

Also, this is feed-forward control - there's no feedback path in that diagram.
 
Would the following equation be used to help calculate the gain of the Proportional controller? I've attached the equation as a jpeg.
 

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ilovescience85 said:
Would the following equation be used to help calculate the gain of the Proportional controller? I've attached the equation as a jpeg.
I don't know what those symbols mean, and the image itself is frustratingly small o_O

I can't really help you if you don't show me what it is you're doing.
 
I'm a bit lost as we've never had anything like this question within the learning material. I've attached a larger image hopefully.
 

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ilovescience85 said:
I'm a bit lost as we've never had anything like this question within the learning material. I've attached a larger image hopefully.
I still don't know what the symbols in that equation represent. You'll have to tell me, and preferably also how you arrived at the equation.
 
I've attached the extracts from the learning material.
 

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ilovescience85 said:
I've attached the extracts from the learning material.
That's for a specific kind of feedback system. I think you'd be much better off if you tried to work out the algebra in this problem.

If we call the transducer ##T##, the power supply ##S##, and the heater ##A##, can you find an expression for ##\theta_O##?

One method is to just follow the signal pathway around as you write down the operations you encounter, e.g. you could start with ##\theta_O = \theta_D + \dots##, where you add the rest by following ##\theta_D## as it goes through the transducer etc. and back to the summing junction.
 

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