Determine whether the integral is divergent. If convergent, evaluate.

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the convergence of the improper integral ∫ from 2 to ∞ of (dv)/(v^2 + 7v - 8). Participants are exploring the behavior of the integral as the upper limit approaches infinity and questioning the conditions under which it may be divergent or convergent.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the function using partial fractions and the evaluation of limits as the variable approaches infinity. There is confusion regarding the interpretation of the limit resulting in an indeterminate form of ∞ - ∞.

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Some participants have provided guidance on expressing the limit in a different way and noted the need for clarity in the application of logarithmic properties. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to evaluate the limit and the implications for the convergence of the integral.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of limits involving logarithmic expressions and the conditions under which the integral may be considered divergent or convergent. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct mathematical manipulations required to resolve the limit.

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Homework Statement


∫ a= 2 b = ∞ (dv)/(v^2+7v-8)


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I have attempted the problem and am confused as to why the integral is not divergent.

The Attempt at a Solution



I integrated the function by using partial fractions and came up with a result of:
-1/9ln(v+8)+1/9ln(v-1)

I replaced 'b' limit of integration with 't' and solved for the limit of the function as 't' approaches infinity…
lim t→∞ -1/9[ln(v+8)-ln(v-1)] with limits of integration, b =t and a = 2

However when finding the limit, I realize that when substituting ∞ for 'v' I am left with the following result: -1/9[ln(∞+8)-ln(∞-1)]

ln(∞) is equal to ∞, and ∞-∞ is equal to ∞. Therefore there is no limit for the function ∫ a= 2 b = ∞ (dv)/(v^2+7v-8) and it is divergent.

This is not the case though, and the function convergent.

Where is my mistake occurring?
 
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jorgegalvan93 said:

Homework Statement


∫ a= 2 b = ∞ (dv)/(v^2+7v-8)

Homework Equations



I have attempted the problem and am confused as to why the integral is not divergent.

The Attempt at a Solution



I integrated the function by using partial fractions and came up with a result of:
-1/9ln(v+8)+1/9ln(v-1)

I replaced 'b' limit of integration with 't' and solved for the limit of the function as 't' approaches infinity…
lim t→∞ -1/9[ln(v+8)-ln(v-1)] with limits of integration, b =t and a = 2

However when finding the limit, I realize that when substituting ∞ for 'v' I am left with the following result: -1/9[ln(∞+8)-ln(∞-1)]

ln(∞) is equal to ∞, and ∞-∞ is equal to ∞. Therefore there is no limit for the function ∫ a= 2 b = ∞ (dv)/(v^2+7v-8) and it is divergent.

This is not the case though, and the function convergent.

Where is my mistake occurring?
A limit of the form ∞ - ∞ is indeterminate.

You need to express it in a different way. use properties of logs to to get a more compact expression.
 


SammyS said:
A limit of the form ∞ - ∞ is indeterminate.

You need to express it in a different way. use properties of logs to to get a more compact expression.

ln(v+8)/ln(v+1) ?
Would I then have to use l'hospital's rule?
 


jorgegalvan93 said:
ln(v+8)/ln(v+1) ?
Would I then have to use l'hospital's rule?

That's not a correct use of the rules of logs. Try again.
 


jorgegalvan93 said:
ln(v+8)/ln(v+1) ?
Would I then have to use l'hospital's rule?
ln(a) - ln(b) = ln(a/b) .

ln(a) - ln(b) ≠ ln(a)/ln(b) .
 
Can some one help me figure out How ln( t+8)/(t-1) = 0
 
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Miliman13 said:
Can some one help me figure out How ln( t+8)/(t-1) = 0

If you mean
$$ \frac{\ln (t+8)}{t-1}=0$$
it is easy (figure out why). If you mean
$$ \ln \left( \frac{t+8}{t-1} \right) = 0 $$
you can spend a lifetime looking for a solution and never finding one. Why not?
 

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