Determining Analytic Orientation from Angular Velocity

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The discussion revolves around determining the analytic orientation of an axisymmetric body undergoing torque-free motion, characterized by a specific angular velocity. Participants explore the relationship between angular velocity and orientation, aiming to derive an analytic representation of the body's orientation over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the angular velocity of the body as a function of time and expresses a desire to find an analytic solution for the orientation based on given initial conditions.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial poster may already have the answer, indicating that the direction of angular velocity can be determined from the provided constants.
  • A later reply questions the definition of "orientation," suggesting that it typically refers to a vector property like angular velocity, which indicates the body's orientation.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the geometric shape of the body and how its edges might rotate in relation to the angular velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of orientation and its relationship to angular velocity. There is no consensus on how to analytically represent the orientation, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the orientation of the spinning body.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not specified the assumptions regarding the geometric properties of the body or the mathematical framework needed for the analytic solution. The discussion also lacks clarity on the definitions of orientation and its implications for the analysis.

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I am doing an analysis concerning the torque-free motion of an axisymmetric body (J1 = J2 != J3).

The angular velocity is given

\omega(t) = [\omega_t\ sin(\Omega t), \omega_t\ cos(\Omega t), \omega_{z0}]

where \omega_t, \Omega and \omega_{z0} are constants. I would like to determine the orientation of the body at any time t given an initial orientation at t = 0. My end goal is to have an analytic representation of the orientation that I can use as "truth" to compare the errors of various numerical methods of estimating the orientation.

I know how to find numerical solutions to this problem using quaternions/direction cosine matrices/rotation vectors, etc., but am not sure how to approach this from an analytic point of view.
 
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dgreenheck said:
I am doing an analysis concerning the torque-free motion of an axisymmetric body (J1 = J2 != J3).

The angular velocity is given

\omega(t) = [\omega_t\ sin(\Omega t), \omega_t\ cos(\Omega t), \omega_{z0}]

where \omega_t, \Omega and \omega_{z0} are constants. I would like to determine the orientation of the body at any time t given an initial orientation at t = 0. My end goal is to have an analytic representation of the orientation that I can use as "truth" to compare the errors of various numerical methods of estimating the orientation.

I know how to find numerical solutions to this problem using quaternions/direction cosine matrices/rotation vectors, etc., but am not sure how to approach this from an analytic point of view.
Unless I have not understood your question, it looks to me that you already have the answer. Since the constants are given, you already know the direction of the angular velocity as a function of time.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
Unless I have not understood your question, it looks to me that you already have the answer. Since the constants are given, you already know the direction of the angular velocity as a function of time.
Yes, but what is the orientation of the spinning body
 
When you use the word orientation, you have to specify what you mean. Usually, orientation means that there is some vector property of the body, which is pointing in some direction. In the case of a spinning body, the angular velocity (or angular momentum) is that vector. The direction of the angular velocity IS the orientation of the body. What you are probably looking for is to specify the geometric shape of the body, such as a cube, and then you can ask a question like, how the edges of the cube are rotating as the object rotates about some axis. The axis in this case, is again, the direction of the angular velocity
 
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