Determining Mass of Moment of Inertia for Flywheel in IC Engine

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The discussion centers on determining the mass moment of inertia for a flywheel in an internal combustion engine, specifically aiming to maintain speed fluctuations within 1.5% at an engine speed of 560 RPM. Participants explore theoretical approaches, equations, and methods for calculating the moment of inertia based on kinetic energy and torque curves.

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  • One participant seeks to determine the mass moment of inertia needed for a flywheel to limit speed fluctuations to 1.5% at 560 RPM.
  • Another participant references a book stating that the mass moment of inertia can be calculated using the coefficient of fluctuation, change in kinetic energy, and angular velocity, providing a formula for calculation.
  • Further equations are introduced, detailing the relationship between angular velocities and energy changes, suggesting a method to derive the moment of inertia from these parameters.
  • There is mention of the complexity of torque-displacement functions in practical engineering, with a suggestion that integration methods like Simpson's or Trapezoidal rule may be necessary, although a desire for a more direct method is expressed.
  • A participant indicates a plan to use the equations after performing integration to obtain values from a graph.

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Participants present various equations and methods for calculating the mass moment of inertia, but there is no consensus on a single approach or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most efficient method to determine the moment of inertia.

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Participants acknowledge the dependence on integration methods for torque functions, indicating that assumptions about the complexity of these functions may affect the calculations. There is also uncertainty regarding the convergence of iterative procedures mentioned.

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i have diagram of the turning moment in flywheel in internal combustion engine , i want to determine the mass of moment of inertia of the flywheel needed to keep speed fluctuation < or equal 1.5% at engine speed 560 rpm ?

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From my book "Fundamentals of Machine Elements" 2nd Edition by Hamrock, Schmidt, and Jacobsen, the equation for the mass moment of inertia can be calculated from knowledge of the speed fluctuation and kinetic energy. Here is how the authors state it.

"By knowing the desired coefficient of fluctuation for a specific application, obtaining the change in kinetic energy from the integration of the torque curve, and knowing the angular velocity, the mass moment of inertia required can be determined."

Ke = I*w^2*C

where

ke = kinetic energy
I = mass moment of inertia
C = coefficient of fluctuation
w = average omega value (angular velocity)

I = ke / C*w^2

Since the two equations are dependent upon each other you can use an iterative procedure to obtain the two results. I haven't done this myself so I don't know how fast the results will converge or if they will at all. If that doesn't work then use the integration of the torque curve.

Thanks
Matt
 
Shigley goes into a bit more detail.

[tex]C_s=\frac{\omega_2 - \omega_1}{\omega}[/tex]

[tex]\omega = \frac{\omega_2 + \omega_1}{2}[/tex]

[tex]E_2 - E_1 = \frac{I}{2} \left[(\omega_2 - \omega_1)(\omega_2 + \omega_1)\right][/tex]

[tex]E_2 - E_1 = C_s I \omega^2[/tex]
 
from my book also "https://www.amazon.com/dp/019515598X/?tag=pfamazon01-20" in page : 680 : many of the torque - displacement functions encountered in practical engineering situations are so complicated that they must be integrated by approximate methods. like Simpson's or Trapezoidal rule

but i need more directly method or equation to solve that faster than integration

Thanks matt
 
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FredGarvin said:
Shigley goes into a bit more detail.

[tex]C_s=\frac{\omega_2 - \omega_1}{\omega}[/tex]

[tex]\omega = \frac{\omega_2 + \omega_1}{2}[/tex]

[tex]E_2 - E_1 = \frac{I}{2} \left[(\omega_2 - \omega_1)(\omega_2 + \omega_1)\right][/tex]

[tex]E_2 - E_1 = C_s I \omega^2[/tex]

OK , maybe i use this equations after use integration to get value from graph

Thanks
 

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