Determining Motion from a Derivative

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The discussion revolves around understanding the motion of a particle described by a position function r(t) and its derivative r'(t) defined as the cross product of a constant vector c and r(t). Participants are exploring the implications of this relationship on the path of the particle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the direction of r'(t) and its relationship to r(t), with some attempting to derive the position function through iterative methods. Questions arise regarding the meaning of specific terms, such as "C = Identity," and the implications of the cross product in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with various approaches being considered, including the use of Newton's method and the suggestion to simplify the analysis by choosing a specific coordinate system. Participants are questioning assumptions and exploring different interpretations of the problem without reaching a consensus.

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There is mention of potential complexity in calculations and the need for clarity on certain definitions, such as the meaning of "C = Identity." Participants are also considering the geometric implications of the motion described by the equations.

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Homework Statement


Given position function r(t) and r'(t) = c X r(t), where c is some constant vector, describe the path of the particle. In other words, describe r(t).

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The Attempt at a Solution

a) r'(t) points in the direction of motion. If we can understand how r'(t) changes direction, we can understand how r(t) moves.
b) r'(t) is the cross product of c and r(t). Therefore, the function is perpendicular to both c and r(t).
c) If r'(t) is perpendicular to c, r'(t) lies on a plane that c is normal to.
d) ---- No other leads
 
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Consider iterating a few times with Newton's method to see what happens.
For starters, assume that C = Identity and evaluate the cross product.
 
what does C = identity mean, sorry? a constant function?

if c is given by <C1,C2,C3> and I cross that by r(t) <R1,R2,R3>, I get a cross product.:
<C2(R3) - C3(R2), C1(R3) - C3(R1), C1(R2) - C2(R1)>

I then multiply that cross product by time interval t. This gives the position function's next approximate position.

$<t[C2(R3) - C3(R2)], t[C1(R3) - C3(R1)], t[C1(R2) - C2(R1)]t>

Subsequent iterations become very messy. Are you sure about this? No conceptual way of understanding the problem?
 
Dot both sides with r(t) and solve. What does this tell you about |r(t)|?
 
You might find it helpful to choose a coordinate system to make the analysis easier. Orient the coordinate system so that ##\vec{c}## points along the z-axis. That'll give you a much simpler expression for ##\vec{c}\times\vec{r}##.
 

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