Problem about the derivative of an unknown function

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The problem involves a differentiable function \( f:\mathbb{R^2}\to\mathbb{R} \) defined by specific equations at certain paths. The goal is to calculate the directional derivative \( D_vf(0,0) \) for a given vector \( v=(1,3) \). The challenge arises from the unknown value of \( f(0,0) \) and the need to determine partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of differentiability and the need to find partial derivatives. One participant notes the difficulty in determining \( f(0,0) \) and seeks clarification on how to proceed. Another participant suggests that \( f(0,0) \) can be inferred from the given equations. There is also a discussion about the rate of change along a path and the application of a formula involving the gradient.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to find the partial derivatives. Some participants have provided hints and confirmations regarding the equations derived from the problem setup. There is an acknowledgment of a potential error in the differentiation process, which has been addressed collaboratively.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of not knowing the value of \( f(0,0) \) initially, which is critical for applying the limit definition of partial derivatives. The discussion also reflects on the implications of differentiability and the relationships between the derivatives along different paths.

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Homework Statement


$$f:\mathbb{R^2}\to\mathbb{R}$$ a differentiable function in the origin so:

$$f(t,t) =t^3+t$$ and $$f(t,-2t)=2t$$

Calculate $$D_vf(0,0)$$

$$v=(1,3)$$

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]

I have no idea on how to approach this problem.
I know that because f is differentiable we have

$$D_vf(0,0)= Df(0,0)v$$

So I should be able to determine the partial derivatives. But how can I do it?

My biggest obstacle is not knowing the value of $$f(0,0)$$ (and therefore not being able to take limit definition of partial derivative)
 
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Well, for what it's worth, ##f(0,0)## = 0 from either of your equations given about ##f##, putting ##t=0##.
 
After looking a bit more carefully at your problem, here's another hint. If you have ##f(x,y)## and you want to know the rate of change along a path ##\vec R(t) = \langle x(t), y(t)\rangle##, have you seen the formula$$
\frac{df}{dt} = \nabla f \cdot \frac{d \vec R}{dt}\text{ ?}$$
 
LCKurtz said:
After looking a bit more carefully at your problem, here's another hint. If you have ##f(x,y)## and you want to know the rate of change along a path ##\vec R(t) = \langle x(t), y(t)\rangle##, have you seen the formula$$
\frac{df}{dt} = \nabla f \cdot \frac{d \vec R}{dt}\text{ ?}$$

Is what you mean equivalent to the derivative of a composition of functions?

I think I got it. What I did was to differentiate both the equations given obtaining:

$$\frac{df}{dx}(t,t) + \frac{df}{dy}(t,t) = 3t^2+1$$

$$\frac{df}{dx}(t,-2t) -2 \frac{df}{dy}(t,-2t) = 2$$

Then making t=0:
$$\frac{df}{dx}(0,0) + \frac{df}{dy}(0,0) = 1$$

$$\frac{df}{dx}(0,0) -2 \frac{df}{dy}(0,0) = 2$$

Solving this system we obtain the partial derivatives of f in the point (0,0).
 
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Granger said:
Is what you mean equivalent to the derivative of a composition of functions?

I think I got it. What I did was to differentiate both the equations given obtaining:

$$\frac{df}{dx}(t,t) \color{red}{\bf +}\frac{df}{dy}(t,t) = 3t^2+1$$

$$\frac{df}{dx}(t,-2t) -2 \frac{df}{dy}(t,-2t) = 2$$
Aren't you missing a plus sign that I inserted above? Other than that it should work.
 
LCKurtz said:
Aren't you missing a plus sign that I inserted above? Other than that it should work.

Yes, thanks!
 

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