Determining Spring Configuration in Modeling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a simply supported beam with a mass and a spring at midspan. Participants explore the configuration of the spring system and the implications for calculating the required spring rate to reduce static deflection.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why the beam's elasticity and the spring are considered to be in parallel, suggesting they appear to be in series based on their understanding of spring configurations.
  • Another participant questions whether springs in series deflect equally and contrasts this with springs in parallel, prompting a discussion about deflections at the midpoint of the beam.
  • A participant proposes that the beam can be modeled as a spring with a fixed stiffness, leading to a calculation of equivalent stiffness for springs in series, which contradicts the claim in the solutions manual that they are in parallel.
  • One participant provides an example of springs in series to illustrate how they deflect differently under the same load, reinforcing the idea that the arrangement of the beam and spring at midspan leads to parallel behavior in terms of deflection.
  • A later reply indicates a realization about the nature of deflections rather than physical arrangement, acknowledging the clarification provided by another participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the spring and beam are in series or parallel, with no consensus reached on the correct interpretation of their configuration.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of determining spring configurations in structural mechanics, with participants referencing the need for deformation compatibility methods and the statically indeterminate nature of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Consider a simply supported beam with a block of mass m placed at the midspan and a spring with spring rate k placed between the beam and the ground at the midspan. Find the spring rate required to reduce the static deflection to one half its original value before the spring was added.

Homework Equations



F=kδ

(d^4δ/dx^4)EI=-w


The Attempt at a Solution



I understand the general idea of going about the solution but I'm lost on some reasoning behind it. I realize there are two spring constants, one supplied by the beam's elasticity and another for the spring itself. However it is said that the "springs" are in parallel which I do not understand why this is the case as it appears to me that they would be in series? Could someone please explain this to me?
 
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Do springs in series deflect equally? What about springs in parallel? What can you say about the beam deflection and spring deflection at midpoint?
 
I think that is why I am having a bit of trouble. To me the beam acts as a spring in the vertical direction but acts differently depending on the force configuration, but once a location is fixed its stiffness should be a fixed rate. What I think I should do is essentially replace the beam connected to the spring with another spring that has the spring rate of the beam's stiffness. Since the springs are connected end to end the springs are in series and the equivalent stiffness should be k=(1/k_beam+1/k_spring)^-1. However the solutions manual for this problem claims that the springs are in parallel which I don't understand at all.
 
cmmcnamara said:
I think that is why I am having a bit of trouble. To me the beam acts as a spring in the vertical direction but acts differently depending on the force configuration, but once a location is fixed its stiffness should be a fixed rate. What I think I should do is essentially replace the beam connected to the spring with another spring that has the spring rate of the beam's stiffness. Since the springs are connected end to end the springs are in series and the equivalent stiffness should be k=(1/k_beam+1/k_spring)^-1. However the solutions manual for this problem claims that the springs are in parallel which I don't understand at all.
I can see how you might conclude that the "springs" are in series, but they are not. When 2 springs of different stiffness constants 'k' are in series, they each carry the same load but each deflects by a different amount. As an example, consider 2 springs in series, subject to a hanging weight force of 10 N. One spring has a k value of 200 N/m and the other has a k value of 400 N/m. They each experience 10 N of force. Since per Hookes Law F=kx, spring one deflects 0.05 m and spring 2 deflects 0.025 m. The total deflection is 0.075 m, and the equivalent stiffness per your formula is k=133, which is consistent with total deflection = 10/133 = 0.075 m, but the important thing to note is that the deflections of each springs are different.
Now look at the problem at hand with a spring support at midspan. When the beam is now loaded, both the beam and the spring will each deflect the same amount at midspan. They are effectively connected together at their "top" in parallel, not 'end to top' if they were in series.
Anyway, the problem as you likely know is statically indeterminate to the first degree, and you must use the deformation compatability method to calculate the force delivered by the spring.
 
Ahhh now I see why you were asking about the deflections. I guess I didn't realize it wasn't on the basis of physical arrangement rather than the behavior of the deflection. That makes a lot more sense now. I really appreciate your help thank you!
 

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