# Determining Spring Configuration in Modeling

1. Apr 19, 2013

### cmmcnamara

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Consider a simply supported beam with a block of mass m placed at the midspan and a spring with spring rate k placed between the beam and the ground at the midspan. Find the spring rate required to reduce the static deflection to one half its original value before the spring was added.

2. Relevant equations

F=kδ

(d^4δ/dx^4)EI=-w

3. The attempt at a solution

I understand the general idea of going about the solution but I'm lost on some reasoning behind it. I realize there are two spring constants, one supplied by the beam's elasticity and another for the spring itself. However it is said that the "springs" are in parallel which I do not understand why this is the case as it appears to me that they would be in series? Could someone please explain this to me?

2. Apr 20, 2013

### PhanthomJay

Do springs in series deflect equally? What about springs in parallel? What can you say about the beam deflection and spring deflection at midpoint?

3. Apr 22, 2013

### cmmcnamara

I think that is why I am having a bit of trouble. To me the beam acts as a spring in the vertical direction but acts differently depending on the force configuration, but once a location is fixed its stiffness should be a fixed rate. What I think I should do is essentially replace the beam connected to the spring with another spring that has the spring rate of the beam's stiffness. Since the springs are connected end to end the springs are in series and the equivalent stiffness should be k=(1/k_beam+1/k_spring)^-1. However the solutions manual for this problem claims that the springs are in parallel which I don't understand at all.

4. Apr 22, 2013

### PhanthomJay

I can see how you might conclude that the "springs" are in series, but they are not. When 2 springs of different stiffness constants 'k' are in series, they each carry the same load but each deflects by a different amount. As an example, consider 2 springs in series, subject to a hanging weight force of 10 N. One spring has a k value of 200 N/m and the other has a k value of 400 N/m. They each experience 10 N of force. Since per Hookes Law F=kx, spring one deflects 0.05 m and spring 2 deflects 0.025 m. The total deflection is 0.075 m, and the equivalent stiffness per your formula is k=133, which is consistent with total deflection = 10/133 = 0.075 m, but the important thing to note is that the deflections of each springs are different.
Now look at the problem at hand with a spring support at midspan. When the beam is now loaded, both the beam and the spring will each deflect the same amount at midspan. They are effectively connected together at their "top" in parallel, not 'end to top' if they were in series.
Anyway, the problem as you likely know is statically indeterminate to the first degree, and you must use the deformation compatability method to calculate the force delivered by the spring.

5. Apr 22, 2013

### cmmcnamara

Ahhh now I see why you were asking about the deflections. I guess I didn't realize it wasn't on the basis of physical arrangement rather than the behavior of the deflection. That makes a lot more sense now. I really appreciate your help thank you!