Determining the force and moment

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force and moment for a cantilever beam subjected to a point load and an applied moment. Participants explore methods for determining these values using principles of mechanics of materials, including free body diagrams and equations of equilibrium.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the relationship between the applied moment, M, and the point load, P, stating M=10P and mentions the need to calculate the maximum bending moment at the fixed end of the cantilever.
  • Another participant suggests starting with a free body diagram (FBD) and applying the equations of equilibrium (ƩF=0 and ƩM=0) to determine the loads and moments.
  • A different participant emphasizes the necessity of a free body diagram to identify reactions in the x and y directions and a moment.
  • One participant notes that without specified forces and moments, drawing a FBD may be challenging.
  • Another participant mentions that design criteria are needed to determine if the beam is loaded to yield or ultimate strength, indicating that this affects the results.
  • A participant confirms that the beam is loaded to yield strength and suggests setting the bending stress equal to the yield strength to derive equations for M and P.
  • One participant shares their previous unsuccessful attempt to solve the problem and expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a free body diagram and the application of equilibrium equations. However, there are differing views on the approach to take and the assumptions regarding loading conditions, particularly whether the beam is loaded to yield or ultimate strength.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the proportionality of M to P and the need for specific design criteria. There are unresolved aspects regarding the exact forces and moments acting on the beam, which complicate the analysis.

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for a cantilever beam with a point load and a moment as shown in the fig.how do we calculate the force and moment,During loading the applied moment, M, remains proportional to P, such that M=10P. yield strength, young's modulus are given.

calculated Y and I for the the I section, and with yield strength σ found M (maximum bending moment). since the maximum BM is at the fixed end for a cantilever ,equated this to the other moments to find P and M ...it would be of great help if someone could help.
 

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for a cantilever beam with a point load and a moment as shown in the fig.how do we calculate the force and moment,During loading the applied moment, M, remains proportional to P, such that M=10P. yield strength, young's modulus are given.

calculated Y and I for the the I section, and with yield strength σ found M (maximum bending moment). since the maximum BM is at the fixed end for a cantilever ,equated this to the other moments to find P and M ...it would be of great help if someone could help.

First, do a FBD, then do a ƩF=0 and a ƩM=0 about the support to determine the loads and moments about the cantilevered support. Using the bending stress equation σ=Mc/I, we expect the greatest stress on the top and bottom of the beam at the support. From here, you can use Mohr's Circle to determine what the maximum stress at this point is.

I'll have to grab my old mechanics of materials textbook to verify all this, but that should be a pretty good start for you.
 
You need a free body diagram to see what's going on. You should have reactions in the x and y direction and a moment. Equations of equilibrium will give you what you're looking for. That should help point you in the right direction
 
well to draw a FBD the forces and moments are not specified...
 
if i do sigmaF=0 i''ll get constants i.e P and M...
 
Well some design criteria is then needed. Is the beam loaded to yield or to ultimate? Otherwise, yeah you'll just get constants for M and P
 
yes exactly it is loaded to yield...
 
OK. If its yield strength is the criteria, then set σ=yield strength for the beam material.

Then, σ=Mc/I will yield the moment about the cantilevered support. This moment

Msupport = (P x Beam Length) + M

Since M is 10 times the Magnitude of P,

You now have 2 equations with 2 unknowns.

You can solve for M and P.
 
well actually i tried this in some other way it did not work(took p= aσ and got m... ) now it all makes sense ... i owe you something more than thanks ...helping others is not so easy ...please continue ...
 

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