Determining the limit of a sequence

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The discussion revolves around determining the limit of the sequence defined as \( a_n = (-1)^n \left( \frac{n}{n + 1} \right) \). Participants explore the implications of direct substitution and the behavior of the sequence as \( n \) approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants attempt to manipulate the sequence for applying L'Hopital's Rule and question the undefined nature of \( \ln(-1) \). Others suggest alternative forms of the sequence to simplify the limit evaluation. There is also a discussion about the distinction between sequences and series, with emphasis on the appropriate limit to consider.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Participants are questioning assumptions about convergence and the methods used to analyze the limit. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the sequence versus series.

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There is a mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the testing of convergence for sequences versus series, indicating that the original poster may have approached the problem with a series mindset.

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I have the following sequence

[tex] <br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> a_n = ( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right) \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right)} \right] \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Direct substitution yields [tex] ( - 1)^\infty \left( {\frac{\infty }{\infty }} \right)[/tex]

I tried manipulating it into a form in which I could apply L'Hopital's Rule.

[tex]\displaylines{<br /> {\rm Let y} = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> \ln y = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \ln \left[ {( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {\ln ( - 1)^n + \ln (n) - \ln (n + 1)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {n\ln ( - 1) + \ln (n) - \ln (n + 1)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> \ln ( - 1) = undefined \cr}[/tex]

The answer is below. How did the book arrive at that answer? How did they go through and calculate the limit? Solutions manuals are so wonderfully detailed :)

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7812/answer5ck.jpg
 
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[tex](\frac{n}{n+1})=(1-\frac{1}{n+1})[/tex]
hope that helps
 
opticaltempest said:
I have the following sequence

[tex] <br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> a_n = ( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right) \\ <br /> \\ <br /> \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right)} \right] \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Direct substitution yields [tex] ( - 1)^\infty \left( {\frac{\infty }{\infty }} \right)[/tex]

I tried manipulating it into a form in which I could apply L'Hopital's Rule.

[tex]\displaylines{<br /> {\rm Let y} = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> \ln y = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \ln \left[ {( - 1)^n \left( {\frac{n}{{n + 1}}} \right)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {\ln ( - 1)^n + \ln (n) - \ln (n + 1)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left[ {n\ln ( - 1) + \ln (n) - \ln (n + 1)} \right] \cr <br /> \cr <br /> \ln ( - 1) = undefined \cr}[/tex]

The answer is below. How did the book arrive at that answer? How did they go through and calculate the limit? Solutions manuals are so wonderfully detailed :)

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7812/answer5ck.jpg
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Are you required to test the series this way? I would suggest looking at [tex]\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}[/tex] in which case that nasty power of n cancels out. If the limit above approaches -1, then the series limit is undetermined. (It may converge, it may not.)

-Dan
 
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It is a sequence opposed to a series that is being tested for convergence, and hence only [tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}a_n[/tex] need be considered (and for such happyg1's note ought be sufficient.)
 
Another way to look at it is to divide both numerator and denominator by n:
[tex](-1)^n\frac{n}{n+1}= (-1)^n\frac{1}{1+\frac{1}{n}}[/tex]

As n-> infinity, 1/n-> 0.
 

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