Did Feynman make a mistake in the drawing of moving charges?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the interpretation of a diagram from Feynman's lectures on moving charges, specifically regarding the labeling of electric and magnetic fields associated with different charges. Participants explore whether the diagram's labeling is appropriate and whether it could lead to confusion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the forces should be labeled as F1=q1E2 and F2=q2E1, suggesting a potential mistake in the diagram.
  • Others argue that the labeling of fields at each charge is arbitrary and that the fields at the position of particle 1 are correctly denoted as E1 and B1.
  • There is a contention about the clarity of the diagram, with some asserting that the naming convention is subjective and that it is acceptable to label the fields as E1 and B1.
  • One participant points out that Feynman did not draw the figure, attributing it to Matthew Sands, and mentions that Feynman's original figure was simpler.
  • Another participant clarifies that the lines labeled q1E1 and q2E2 represent the electric forces on the particles rather than field lines, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the diagram contains a mistake or if the labeling is appropriate. Multiple competing views remain regarding the clarity and correctness of the diagram's labeling.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express that the diagram could be confusing, indicating that the interpretation of field labels may depend on individual perspectives and the context in which they are applied.

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Did Feynman make a mistake in the drawing of moving charges?
This is from Feynman's lectures: https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_26.html

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Should the (b) say F1=q1E2 and F2=q2E1?
 
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It is an arbitrary choice. I take it that ##\mathbf{E}_1## and ##\mathbf{B}_1## are the electric and magnetic field at the position of particle 1.
 
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DrClaude said:
It is an arbitrary choice. I take it that ##\mathbf{E}_1## and ##\mathbf{B}_1## are the electric and magnetic field at the position of particle 1.
That does not make sense.
If there is a charge ##q_3## and the field from ##q_2## would be named ##\mathbf{E}_3##?

This is more intuitive: source...

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Jaaanosik said:
That does not make sense.
If there is a charge ##q_3## and the field from ##q_2## would be named ##\mathbf{E}_3##?

This is more intuitive: source...

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That’s completely subjective. There is nothing wrong with naming the fields at 1 ##\vec E_1## and ##\vec B_1##, respectively. In the end, there is only a single electromagnetic field so in some sense it is more natural to use that naming convention. The only reason you can split the field into contributions from different sources is that Maxwell’s equations are linear. This is not the case for all field theories.
 
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As long as the diagrams match the text and the equations then it is not a mistake. But it certainly could be confusing even without being a mistake
 
First of all, I would like to mention that Feynman did not draw this figure. Matthew Sands drew it. Feynman's figure we much simpler; You can see him standing by it in photo #9 of the blackboard photos that are posted with this lecture in the online edition of FLP. Secondly, it seems obvious that in this figure E_n and B_n are the electric and magnetic field at charge q_n. I see nothing confusing about this whatsoever.
 
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Jaaanosik said:
Should the (b) say F1=q1E2 and F2=q2E1?
No, the diagram is clearly labeled, showing that E1 points left from q1 (the left arrow labeled q1E1), while the right arrow from q2 is labeled q2E2.
Jaaanosik said:
That does not make sense.
If there is a charge ##q_3## and the field from ##q_2## would be named ##\mathbf{E}_3##?
That is certainly a valid option for labeling diagrams. But note that it's not "the field from q2", it's "the field at q3".
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This is more intuitive: source...
Not really. That source is talking about placing a test charge in a field produced by 2+ charges (for a total of 3+ charges), whereas your post is about the force of a single charge acting on a single other charge. Note that you are NOT drawing field lines from each charge in your first post (or decomposing the composite lines into their individual charge contributions), which is what they do in the diagram you linked in post #3.

The line labeled q1E1 in the first post isn't a field line, it's the electric force on the particle. Same for the q2E2 line.
 
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