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The discussion revolves around the physical interpretation of the dielectric function, particularly in the context of the Random Phase Approximation. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the dielectric function, its components, and the implications for electron behavior in materials, including the Lindhard dielectric function and its relationship to wave vectors and photon frequencies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a physical explanation of the dielectric function as defined by ε(q,ω) = 1 - v(q) ∏(q,ω), where v(q) is the Coulomb potential and ∏(q,ω) is the density-density correlation function.
  • Another participant discusses the polarization in terms of charge-charge correlation functions and how it relates to the dielectric function, emphasizing the role of the electromagnetic field.
  • Questions arise regarding the electron component of the dielectric function, specifically the use of the Lindhard dielectric function and the interpretation of wave vectors q and p.
  • Several participants express confusion about the relationship between wave vectors and photon frequencies, particularly in the context of Fermi-Dirac distributions and their integration.
  • There is mention of the need to interpret p + q as the momentum of an electron, with discussions on how to incorporate this into the Fermi-Dirac distribution.
  • One participant notes that the relationship between frequency and wave vector only holds for free solutions of Maxwell's equations, highlighting the complexity of the dielectric function in different media.
  • Another participant suggests looking up the Lindhard expression for the transversal dielectric function, indicating a distinction between longitudinal and transversal responses.
  • Concerns are raised about how to plot the real part of the dielectric function as a function of photon frequency and the role of the Fermi wave vector.
  • There is a request for clarification on the forms of Fermi-Dirac functions in relation to wave vectors k and k + q.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and confusion regarding the dielectric function and its components. There is no clear consensus on the interpretation of wave vectors or the application of the Lindhard function, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of wave vectors and the unresolved relationship between frequency and wave vector in non-free solutions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of integrating Fermi-Dirac distributions in the context of wave vectors.

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i was reading Random Phase Approximation and encouter with dielectric function

ε(q,ω)= 1- v(q) ∏(q,ω)
where v(q) is coulumb potential and ∏(q,ω) is density-density correlation function without coulumb interaction
now i do not understand this dielctric function can anyone explain it physically for me?
thanks in advance :)
 
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the general definition of the polarization is \int_{-\infty}^t j dt (up to maybe some minus) whose longitudinal part (the expression you gave is only for the longitudinal dielectric function) can be expressed in terms of rho (and q and omega). In linear response rho will be induced by the coupling of the charges to the electromagnetic field V in the hamiltonian proportional to rho V.
So the polarization will become proportional to a charge-charge correlation function and all the q´s and omegas flying around can be shown to give the Coulomb factor v.
 
Hi there,

I am also curious about this. In particular the electron part of the dielectric function, which can be described by the Linhard dielectric function.

This function assumes a NFE electron model, which uses the FD distributions to calculate the electron component of the dielectric function (attached equations).

I am just a little unclear about how to use this;

is q the initial wave-vector?
is p the final wave-vector?
omega is the photon frequency I guess.

I also am not sure how to represent the FD distributions in wave vector form, I know the k is proportional to the square root of E for electrons. But why do we have to use the FD distributions in k vector form, as then we deal a k^2 in the integration making it tricky.

Overall, I am not clear on the relationship between k and q, as we need to have this to get a solution. Right?

Sorry for the confused questions!

Gobil
 

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q is the wavevector of the electromagnetic field.
 
so the energy of p + q ~ p^2 + h*c*q

so homework = h*c*q, where h is the Planck constant, c speed of light, and q the photon wave-vector?

and I should use this in FD distribution in place of energy for FD(p+q) ?
 
Gobil said:
so the energy of p + q ~ p^2 + h*c*q

so homework = h*c*q, where h is the Planck constant, c speed of light, and q the photon wave-vector?

and I should use this in FD distribution in place of energy for FD(p+q) ?

in the FD distribution p+q (or p-q) has to be interpreted as the momentum of an electron so that c should not enter.
also homework = h*c*q would only hold for a free solution of maxwell equations in the medium.
As the Lindhard function only describes the longitudinal response of the medium, these correspond to plasma oscillations.
However, in general the frequency and the wavevector of the electromagnetic field can be varied independently of each other. E. g. you can modulate a coulombic field at any rate and the spatial Fourier transform of a coulomb field will contain all wavevectors.
 
DrDu said:
in the FD distribution p+q (or p-q) has to be interpreted as the momentum of an electron so that c should not enter.

so how should this be done for the FD distribution. Should it be E(p + q) ~ p^2 + q^2 ?

[/QUOTE] also homework = h*c*q would only hold for a free solution of maxwell equations in the medium. [/QUOTE]

but how do we know the relationship between q and w if we don´t yet know the refractive index?
 
Gobil said:
so how should this be done for the FD distribution. Should it be E(p + q) ~ p^2 + q^2 ?
also homework = h*c*q would only hold for a free solution of maxwell equations in the medium. [/QUOTE]

but how do we know the relationship between q and w if we don´t yet know the refractive index?[/QUOTE]

first note that p and q are vectors. Also E(p+q)=(p+q)^2/2m.
In general there is no relation between w and q! Such a relation only exists for free solutions of the Maxwell equations. These can be derived from the Maxwell equations \epsilon (q,\omega)\omega^2 E(q,\omega)=q^2 E(q,\omega).
Even for light in a non-metallic medium the refractive index is not only a function of w but also a function of k, i.e. there may be light waves with the same frequency but different values of q. E.g. a left and a right circularly polarized wave will have a slightly different refractive index in a chiral medium and will propagate with different wavevectors.
In most isolators this effect (spatial dispersion) is very weak, but in a metal, where electrons are free to travel over larger distances, it can be quite pronounced.
 
so, how does one go about actually using this formulation for obtaining the refractive index of the electron system?

Many people use this I think, but, for example, if I want to plot the εr, the real part of the dielectric function, as a function of the photon frequency, how do I go about this. I have seen some books that take k as the Fermi wavevector. But I am not sure what to do with q...
 
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To start with, you should look up the Lindhard expression for the transversal dielectric function.
The one you were writing down is the longitudinal one and does not describe photons.
The refractive index n(q,w)=qc/w=sqrt(epsilon(q,omega))
 
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actually, the form is quite similar from what I can see Kliewer et al., Phys. Rev: 181, 2, 1969

It basically involves integrating the FD functions in terms of k, and k+q, so can anyone tell me what forms these FD functions take? and in particular what is the relationship between the q and k vectors in this case?
 
  • #12
hi again,

Looking at PRB, 40, 6, I see a treatment of the Lindhard function.

Here they describe the response function of the free electrons (equation 1). But I am still confused about the symbols and what to put in. They have the FD functions in terms of k and k + q. k is the electron energy, and q is the "wave vector associated with the electron density".

With the analytical solutions (eqns. 7 and 9), you need to define q. I have no idea what this wave vector is or what value it should take. Can someone help me out here?

thanks!
 

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