Difference between corelation function and corelation lenght

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of correlation function and correlation length within the context of the Ising model and other spin systems. Participants explore the definitions, implications, and relationships between these two concepts, particularly in relation to phase transitions and different types of correlation behaviors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the correlation function in the Ising model as &langle S_iS_{i+j}&rangle and questions the definition of correlation length, suggesting it relates to the largest number of aligned spins.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the meaning of correlation length in the context of spin systems like the Ising model.
  • A participant notes that the correlation function is generally more versatile, indicating that when it is exponential, the correlation length can be defined as L, while a power law correlation function suggests an undefined or infinite correlation length.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between correlation length and phase transitions, with one participant mentioning that the correlation length becomes large at phase transitions, leading to a decrease in the correlation function.
  • Another participant reiterates the relationship between correlation length and phase transitions, emphasizing that divergence of the correlation length occurs at critical points, and discusses the behavior of the correlation function near these points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of correlation function and correlation length, with some agreeing on their definitions while others highlight potential differences in usage across contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise implications of these concepts in relation to phase transitions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific mathematical forms of the correlation function and its behavior near phase transitions, but there are uncertainties regarding the definitions and implications of correlation length in different scenarios.

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For example if we look Ising model correlation function is
[tex]\langle S_iS_{i+j}\rangle[/tex]
So we can see that if we took into acount just nearest neighbours interraction we also will see that some [tex]i+j[/tex]-th spin feels i-th spin. So there is some correlation between them.
Am I right? This is correlation function. And what is correlation lenght?

Is it length between
[itex]\uparrow\uparrow\uparrow\uparrow\downarrow\downarrow[/itex]
the biggest number of align spins?
 
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If I watch some spin system, for example Ising model or something, what is for me there correlation lenght? Can you explain this to me?
 
I'm not sure if the usage in condensed matter is the same, but usually the correlation function is more general. When the correlation function is exponential, exp(-x/L), then L is the correlation length. If the correlation function is a power law, x^n, then the correlation length is not defined (or "infinite", eg. http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/people/ClaudioCastelnovo/Talks/060418_Harvard.pdf says "power-law phase with infinite correlation length").
 
Yes, I think it's the same. Just in condensed matter I have maybe

[tex]\Gamma=exp(-\frac{an}{L})[/tex]

where [tex]a[/tex] is distance between nearest neighbours. I don't understand very well that if I see phase transition in some point then correlation length there is pretty large. So [tex]\Gamma[/tex] goes to zero. Right?

And where I can have polynomial dependence? In ordered phase. Can someone explain me that?
 
LagrangeEuler said:
Yes, I think it's the same. Just in condensed matter I have maybe

[tex]\Gamma=exp(-\frac{an}{L})[/tex]

where [tex]a[/tex] is distance between nearest neighbours. I don't understand very well that if I see phase transition in some point then correlation length there is pretty large. So [tex]\Gamma[/tex] goes to zero. Right?

And where I can have polynomial dependence? In ordered phase. Can someone explain me that?

The divergence of the correlation length only occurs at some phase transitions, eg. at the critical point , which is where the boundary between liquid and gas disappears. Kardar has some notes on this. He writes the correlation function as a power law multiplying an exponential (Eq II.46). The correlation function is approximately a power law only for distances less than the correlation length (Eq II.49). As the critical point is approached, the correlation length diverges, and so the correlation function is close to a power law over very large distances (see his comments before Eq II.52).
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-334-statistical-mechanics-ii-statistical-physics-of-fields-spring-2008/lecture-notes/lec2.pdf
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-334-statistical-mechanics-ii-statistical-physics-of-fields-spring-2008/lecture-notes/lec3.pdf
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-334-statistical-mechanics-ii-statistical-physics-of-fields-spring-2008/lecture-notes/lec4.pdf
 
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