Difference between integral and a function

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between integrals and derivatives, specifically examining whether the integral of a function is simply the function itself. Participants explore the definitions and properties of functions, integrals, and derivatives, with a focus on the example of the function f(x) = x² and its derivative f'(x) = 2x.

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  • One participant states that the integral is the opposite of the derivative, suggesting that x² is the integral of 2x.
  • Another participant corrects this by stating that the integral of 2x is actually x² + c, indicating that they are not symmetric.
  • A third participant clarifies that both x² and 2x are different functions related through integration and differentiation, referencing the first fundamental theorem of calculus.
  • This participant further defines F(x) = x² and f(x) = 2x, explaining that F'(x) = f(x) and ∫f(x)dx = F(x).
  • Another participant elaborates on the concept of derivatives and integrals, explaining the geometric interpretation of integrals as measuring area under a curve.
  • This participant provides a specific example of calculating the area under the curve of x² between two points.
  • One participant expresses continued confusion despite the explanations provided.

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Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of integrals and derivatives, with some clarifying the distinctions between functions and their integrals while others express confusion about these concepts. No consensus is reached on the initial question posed.

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Some participants note that the relationship between integrals and derivatives is not straightforward, highlighting the importance of constants in integration and the distinction between different functions.

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Online it says that the integral is the opposite of the derivative. So x^2 is the integral of 2x.

So if f(x) = x^2 , does that mean that the integral is just the function itself? Basically whatever f(x) equals?

Thanks in advance
 
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kolleamm said:
Online it says that the integral is the opposite of the derivative. So x^2 is the integral of 2x.
No, the integral of 2x is x^2 + c. They are not exactly symmetric.
So if f(x) = x^2 , does that mean that the integral is just the function itself? Basically whatever f(x) equals?
No, for the reason just stated.
 
Both x2 and 2x are functions, and they are different functions. The two are related through integration and differentiation, as explained by the first fundamental theorem of calculus.

To be clear, we should label the two functions differently:

F(x) = x2
f(x) = 2x

F(x) and f(x) are different functions, with f(x) being the derivative of F(x). Stated in math terminology, F'(x) = f(x) and ∫f(x)dx = F(x).
 
kolleamm said:
Online it says that the integral is the opposite of the derivative. So x^2 is the integral of 2x.

So if f(x) = x^2 , does that mean that the integral is just the function itself? Basically whatever f(x) equals?

Thanks in advance
You're question is a bit confusing. So let's start with a smooth function ##f: \mathbb{R} \rightarrow \mathbb{R}##, e.g. ##f(x)=x^2##.
(I picked smoothness here for reason of simplicity and it means mathematically basically the same as in ordinary language: no gaps or corners, pretty smooth.)

Then the derivative ##f\,' ## of ##f## is again a smooth function that associates to each point ##x## the slope of ##f## which is defined as the steepness of its tangent, i.e. the steepness of the touching line. In the example we have ##f\,'(x)=2x## which means, that e.g. at the point ##x=5## we have a slope of ##2\cdot 5 = 10## (##10## inches of gained height on ##1## inch horizontal deviation).

The integral ##\int f(x)\, dx = F(x)## of ##f## is a function ##F## that measures the area between the ##x-##axis and the function ##f##. Basically as we measure the area of a room: length times width. Only that it also works for curved walls. In the example we have ##\int x^2 dx = \frac{1}{3}x^3## which means, that the area ##A## underneath the parabola ##x^2##, say between the points ##x=1## and ##x=4##, is ##A= \frac{1}{3}\cdot 4^3 - \frac{1}{3} 1^3 = 21##.

Now what makes a derivative and an integral sort of "opposite" is, that ##\int f\,'(x) dx = f(x)##, or in our example ##\int 2x \,dx= x^2##.
 
thank you for your help although I'm still confused
 

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