Difference between the tension force of the rope and that of spring

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between the tension forces in ropes and springs, particularly focusing on their classifications as conservative or non-conservative forces. Participants explore the underlying principles and characteristics of each type of force.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the fundamental differences in tension forces between ropes and springs.
  • Others question why one force is classified as conservative while the other is not.
  • One participant notes that springs are typically modeled as elastic and follow Hooke's law, allowing for a defined potential energy function.
  • Another participant mentions that ropes are generally modeled as inelastic and inextensible, although they acknowledge that real ropes can stretch under load.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of forces, with some agreeing on the characteristics of springs and ropes while others raise questions about the implications of these classifications.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the ideal behavior of springs and ropes, as well as potential limitations in the definitions of conservative and non-conservative forces that remain unaddressed.

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what is the difference between the tension force of the rope and that of spring ??
 
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Za Kh said:
what is the difference between the tension force of the rope and that of spring ??
Can you give some context for your question?
 
why one of them is considered conservative force and the other isn't ?
 
Za Kh said:
why one of them is considered conservative force and the other isn't ?
Springs are generally modeled as being elastic and following Hooke's law. So a potential energy function can be defined: ##PE = \frac{1}{2}k x^2##.

Ropes, on the other hand, are generally modeled as being inelastic and inextensible. (Obviously a simplification, as real ropes often do stretch appreciably under load.)
 
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